Any traffic in the area, please, advise.

[Snakum]

I really hate the Airport Advisory question

We're discussing "traffic advisory" requests. We move fast here at FI. Jesus ... try to keep up, will ya?

:smash:

 

[AC560]

Define "the wrong way"

I define it in response to paulsalem asking why people would ask for active runway. You can't assume that people would apply good logic into which runway to depart/land from.

Feel free to debate the definition of good logic in the selection of a runway though.

 

[paulsalem]

I define it in response to paulsalem asking why people would ask for active runway. You can't assume that people would apply good logic into which runway to depart/land from.

Feel free to debate the definition of good logic in the selection of a runway though.

Couple things.

1) If you listen for traffic in the area you'll get answers to both "any traffic in the area..." and "what's the active runway".

2) I really don't think there can be an "active runway" becuase its uncontrolled, and there is no on offical to designate and active runway.

3) If I hear people are landing on a runway, and I think I'm better off landing on a different runway, I'm going to land on the one I think is best.

 

[AC560]

1) If you listen for traffic in the area you'll get answers to both "any traffic in the area..." and "what's the active runway".

Not neccessarily. I personally don't subscribe to the "any traffic in the area" question but I do generally ask for active runway if I don't hear anything.

2) I really don't think there can be an "active runway" becuase its uncontrolled, and there is no on offical to designate and active runway.

No there isn't but in general a direction is usually picked at an uncontrolled field with 1 runway and multiple aircraft operating. I don't often see 6 planes lining up at each end of the runway and taking turns departing in the opposite direction, maybe it is more common where you fly.

3) If I hear people are landing on a runway, and I think I'm better off landing on a different runway, I'm going to land on the one I think is best.

Hopefully it fits in with the guy who is taking off/landing directly at you. You can discuss the finer points of 91.113 as you speed towards each other.

 

[paulsalem]

It's an "uncontrolled field". And I need a little excitement in my life. I often play the theme from Benny Hill while I first enter the pattern.

In all seriousness the most dangerous thing I deal with at uncontrolled fields are:

1) People flying right hand traffic at a left hand traffic field.
2) People entering the pattern and cutting off another aircraft.
2) People around my airport (and ATC) tend to call the departure leg, the upwind leg. Contrary to what's printed in the aim.

 

[YourNameHere]

The problem with that phrase is that if there are five guys in the pattern, they are all going to step on each other responding. It would be like ATC asking who wants a shortcut on a busy IMC day. Everybody answers at the same time. Not so good.

 

[paulsalem]

Here's the link.

AIM 4-1-9

g. Self-Announce Position and/or Intentions
​

1. General.
Pilots stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition.​

Well That settles that issue.
​

 

[AC560]

Well That settles that issue.

4.1.9

h. UNICOM Communications Procedures​

1. In communicating with a UNICOM station, the following practices will help reduce frequency congestion, facilitate a better understanding of pilot intentions, help identify the location of aircraft in the traffic pattern, and enhance safety of flight:​

(a) Select the correct UNICOM frequency.​

(b) State the identification of the UNICOM station you are calling in each transmission.​

(c) Speak slowly and distinctly.​

(d) Report approximately 10 miles from the airport, reporting altitude, and state your aircraft type, aircraft identification, location relative to the airport, state whether landing or overflight, and request wind information and runway in use.​

 

[paulsalem]

AC650,

My post is in regaurd to Any Trafic in the Area please advise.

 

[AC560]

My post is in regaurd to Any Trafic in the Area please advise.

Apologize for the confusion on my part then, I took your comments of:

1) If you listen for traffic in the area you'll get answers to both "any traffic in the area..." and "what's the active runway".

2) I really don't think there can be an "active runway" becuase its uncontrolled, and there is no on offical to designate and active runway.

To indiciate otherwise, safe flights and God Bless Benny Hill.

 

[paulsalem]

Apologize for the confusion on my part then, I took your comments of:

1) If you listen for traffic in the area you'll get answers to both "any traffic in the area..." and "what's the active runway".

2) I really don't think there can be an "active runway" becuase its uncontrolled, and there is no on offical to designate and active runway.

To indiciate otherwise, safe flights and God Bless Benny Hill.

Oh I see. You too. I won't hit you if you dont' hit me!

 

[FN FAL]

Oh I see. You too. I won't hit you if you dont' hit me!

Just meet him on 123.45 and dicker with him on what runway is going to be the "active" and what runway is going to be the "secondary active".

 

[paulsalem]

Just meet him on 123.45 and dicker with him on what runway is going to be the "active" and what runway is going to be the "secondary active".

We'll also start every transmission with "Aaaaaand N1234 is with you....."

 

[ksu_aviator]

I can't tell you how many times I've flown into an uncotrolled airport, IFR and not had the opportunity to tune in CTAF prior to entering the airport area. Don't get me wrong, I'm always trying to listen from 50 miles in, but sometimes I don't have time (I might have even forgotten to listen once). I've also had a number of occasions where I did listen for a long time and when I did say "Any traffic in the area please advise" I got a call from an aircraft doing pattern work that had not made any calls prior.

The notion that this call would replace see and avoid is ridiculous. The notion that it is not needed is equally ridiculous. It is important to know where people are, and if you need an immediate report use it. If 10 people are stepping all over each other on the radio already making calls just stick with the basics.

 

[Rally]

Yeah, I knew that would get your attention. It was brought to my attention that the newest revision of the AIM specifically states that the phrase: "Any traffic in the area, please, advise." is bad and should not be used (4-1-9 (g)(1).

SO, that should settle it, right? Discuss.

Just for the record, I don't have strong feelings about the issue, I don't use the phrase, but neither does it make my blood boil to hear somone else use it. But I know that it is a matter of great interest to some.

Give them some "advice". My advice is keep 1.3 x Vso and put the gear down. And practice safe sex.