Any traffic in the area, please, advise.

[YourNameHere]

The problem with that phrase is that if there are five guys in the pattern, they are all going to step on each other responding. It would be like ATC asking who wants a shortcut on a busy IMC day. Everybody answers at the same time. Not so good.

 

[paulsalem]

Here's the link.

AIM 4-1-9

g. Self-Announce Position and/or Intentions
​

1. General.
Pilots stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition.​

Well That settles that issue.
​

 

[AC560]

Well That settles that issue.

4.1.9

h. UNICOM Communications Procedures​

1. In communicating with a UNICOM station, the following practices will help reduce frequency congestion, facilitate a better understanding of pilot intentions, help identify the location of aircraft in the traffic pattern, and enhance safety of flight:​

(a) Select the correct UNICOM frequency.​

(b) State the identification of the UNICOM station you are calling in each transmission.​

(c) Speak slowly and distinctly.​

(d) Report approximately 10 miles from the airport, reporting altitude, and state your aircraft type, aircraft identification, location relative to the airport, state whether landing or overflight, and request wind information and runway in use.​

 

[paulsalem]

AC650,

My post is in regaurd to Any Trafic in the Area please advise.

 

[AC560]

My post is in regaurd to Any Trafic in the Area please advise.

Apologize for the confusion on my part then, I took your comments of:

1) If you listen for traffic in the area you'll get answers to both "any traffic in the area..." and "what's the active runway".

2) I really don't think there can be an "active runway" becuase its uncontrolled, and there is no on offical to designate and active runway.

To indiciate otherwise, safe flights and God Bless Benny Hill.

 

[paulsalem]

Apologize for the confusion on my part then, I took your comments of:

1) If you listen for traffic in the area you'll get answers to both "any traffic in the area..." and "what's the active runway".

2) I really don't think there can be an "active runway" becuase its uncontrolled, and there is no on offical to designate and active runway.

To indiciate otherwise, safe flights and God Bless Benny Hill.

Oh I see. You too. I won't hit you if you dont' hit me!

 

[FN FAL]

Oh I see. You too. I won't hit you if you dont' hit me!

Just meet him on 123.45 and dicker with him on what runway is going to be the "active" and what runway is going to be the "secondary active".

 

[paulsalem]

Just meet him on 123.45 and dicker with him on what runway is going to be the "active" and what runway is going to be the "secondary active".

We'll also start every transmission with "Aaaaaand N1234 is with you....."

 

[ksu_aviator]

I can't tell you how many times I've flown into an uncotrolled airport, IFR and not had the opportunity to tune in CTAF prior to entering the airport area. Don't get me wrong, I'm always trying to listen from 50 miles in, but sometimes I don't have time (I might have even forgotten to listen once). I've also had a number of occasions where I did listen for a long time and when I did say "Any traffic in the area please advise" I got a call from an aircraft doing pattern work that had not made any calls prior.

The notion that this call would replace see and avoid is ridiculous. The notion that it is not needed is equally ridiculous. It is important to know where people are, and if you need an immediate report use it. If 10 people are stepping all over each other on the radio already making calls just stick with the basics.

 

[Rally]

Yeah, I knew that would get your attention. It was brought to my attention that the newest revision of the AIM specifically states that the phrase: "Any traffic in the area, please, advise." is bad and should not be used (4-1-9 (g)(1).

SO, that should settle it, right? Discuss.

Just for the record, I don't have strong feelings about the issue, I don't use the phrase, but neither does it make my blood boil to hear somone else use it. But I know that it is a matter of great interest to some.

Give them some "advice". My advice is keep 1.3 x Vso and put the gear down. And practice safe sex.

 

[avbug]

Wallawallabingbang traffic, Uncle Monkey Titibar Sugar Niner is thirteen point two miles out over the chicken farm on a really wide left base for the one runway that goes north. I am a green airplane with yellow stripes. I am wearing a plaid shirt with long sleeves. My turnons are turtles that eat lettuce, and electricity. I'm a Leo and answer to the name of "Chuckles" on Wednsdays at the Met. Any inbound traffic advise, please.


Land uphill takeoff down, wind notwithstanding. Except Wednsdays.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

SO? Discuss.

The problem here with "Any traffic in the area please advise" is only that of frequency congestion. The solution, in my opinion, is not to stop this effective technique of soliciting reports of pilots that pose a potential collision hazard, the solution to the problem should be to simply add more frequencies. 122.7, 122.8, 122.9 & 123.0 are just not enough in busy areas. What about quarter spacing all of those frequencies?

 

[MauleSkinner]

The problem here with "Any traffic in the area please advise" is only that of frequency congestion. The solution, in my opinion, is not to stop this effective technique of soliciting reports of pilots that pose a potential collision hazard, the solution to the problem should be to simply add more frequencies. 122.7, 122.8, 122.9 & 123.0 are just not enough in busy areas. What about quarter spacing all of those frequencies?

I would venture that even if you were at the only airport on that frequency and used "this effective technique of soliciting reports", and all 3 of the airplanes on downwind decided to advise all at once, you'd STILL have frequency congestion.

Personally, I think monitoring the CTAF for a couple of minutes before making your initial call is a better technique, and unless you fly IFR with a single comm radio, it's possible.

Fly safe!

David