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Any NTSB report out yet from the FEDEX/Narita crash?

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Has anyone seen any official NTSB type reports from the FEDEX crash at Narita airport a few months back?
I lost one of my best Air Force bro's in that crash (Tony Pino. the FO) and was curious as to what REALLY happened. I'm hoping the FDR and CVR will give us all a clear picture....
Any and all info would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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The FO left JetBlue to go to FedEx, right?
 

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yes. Retired from the Air Force. Furloughed by American. JetBlue for a few years. Then FedEx.
One of the greatest guys I've ever known. And a gifted pilot (read:hands)
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A friend of mine at FedEx described the MD-10/MD-11 as having "break-away" landing gear, given the extreme weights that FedEx operates at. That's not a good thing. It would appear that that series airplane has some serious stability and structural flaws. I hope, if that's the case, then the issue gets fixed. It just doesn't seem like that airplane should have flipped in the manner that it did. I feel terrible for those two guys and their families.
 

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yes - he did commute from SAT up to ANC.
If you watch the video, it does look like the left Main landing gear might have failed, causing the left wing to catch, with the subsequent cartwheel..that's one of the reasons I was wondering if anyone has seen/heard of any official reports being released yet. To find out just what the hell really happened.
I was under the impression they (FAA/NTSB) were required to release a report/finding within 30 days? Maybe it's different when the incident/accident occurs overseas?

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I was under the impression they (FAA/NTSB) were required to release a report/finding within 30 days? Maybe it's different when the incident/accident occurs overseas?

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I would think since it happened in Japan, that the Japanese equivalent of the NTSB would be heading up the investigation, with the NTSB heavily involved/overseeing the process.

Interesting information

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/cpque...=&r_n=hr682.104&db_id=104&item=&sel=TOC_7765&

FOREIGN ACCIDENT INVESTIGATIONS

The United States is a signatory to the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation (61 Stat. 1180). Under that treaty, and its Annex 13, the nation in which an aircraft accident occurs is responsible for conducting the investigation. Other countries that have an interest, such as those where the aircraft was manufactured or registered, may participate in the accident investigation.
The U.S. is the world's major aircraft manufacturer. Our airlines operate in many countries throughout the world. If an accident involving one of our aircraft or airlines should occur in another country, it is vital that the NTSB be able to fully participate in the foreign country's accident investigation. However, in order to do so effectively, it must have access to the evidence and information developed during the course of the investigation.
Currently, the NTSB is hindered in its ability to fully participate in foreign accident investigations because it is unable to guarantee that it will not disclose the evidence and information it receives. Arguably, under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), the Board must disclose the records of the investigation that it brings back to its offices.
The inability to guarantee that the information will remain confidential can strain the relations with the nation conducting the investigation. Much of the information developed in the course of the investigation can be quite sensitive. In the early stages, the information may be unverified and its premature release would provide no safety benefit and could be embarrassing to the host country or one of the other parties involved. Disclosure without the permission of the host country can have adverse diplomatic consequences as well. Paragraph 5.26(b) of Annex 13 of the Chicago Convention specifies that nations `shall not provide information on the progress and the findings of the investigation without the express consent of the State conducting the investigation.' However, because of the FOIA, the U.S. has had to indicate that it may not adhere to this paragraph.
Since NTSB cannot guarantee the confidentiality of information obtained in foreign accident investigations, its investigators bring back to their offices only those records that the foreign government has released or has authorized to be released. Frequently this means they bring back no records at all. This seriously undermines NTSB's contribution to the investigation. Moreover, it increases the agency's travel costs as its personnel have to go to foreign locations to have access to records. Most importantly, NTSB's limited access to key data make it more difficult for the Board to issue safety recommendations to prevent future accidents.
The reported bill would address this problem by permitting the NTSB to withhold, for up to two years, information obtained in foreign accident investigations. This will provide the Board's investigators with more access to information and promote cooperation with foreign safety authorities. It will permit NTSB officials to participate effectively in foreign accident investigations. Ultimately, the temporary deferral of the release of foreign accident investigation information will enhance the Board's ability to prevent aircraft accidents in the future.
It should be noted that this provision will not deny the public any information that is receives today. Currently, the public does not receive information from foreign accident investigations until the foreign country releases it. The reported bill will merely enhance the NTSB's access to this information. This will benefit the public by leading to improvements in aviation safety.
 
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The investigation is an ICAO Annex 13 investigation with the Japanese Police doing the investigation. There are rules that they follow, the Canadians follow very similar rules. They basically only will give out the facts at the end of the investigation if I remember correctly. They do not give a "probable cause" or "recommendations" like the NTSB does. From what I know, do not expect a very good investigation. They promptly bulldozed the aircraft off the runway into a pile and re-paved the runway, in just a few hours.
 

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Don't be surprised if the result is that the crew was knocked out by the initial impact/bounce, and as such the aircraft was basically not in control after that point.
 

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A friend of mine at FedEx says they think the crew attempted an autoland with the crosswinds way exceeding limitations, as to the reason for the crash.
 

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Oh good...pilot error. Now we can put this to bed.

Seriously, sorry for your loss and the families involved.

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This was brought up shortly after the accident - it's on here somewhere. From the video it appears like the pilot flying over-reacted and forced the nose over - which seems unlikely at this level in the industry.

Evidently the MD-11 has some stability issues that were addressed in a software upgrade at some time in the past. I don't have any personal experience in the 11, that's just what they say. I bet the findings are along this line.
 

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FedEx training has been in question for quite some time. Couple the unwritten military only policy, sleep cycles and the quirks that come with the MD-11 the sum total is a dangerous combination.
 

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As somebody already pointed out, the NTSB is not the lead investigative agency in this accident and with the thoroughness of the Japanese I wouldn't expect a report in less than a year or more from the accident
 

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A friend of mine at FedEx says they think the crew attempted an autoland with the crosswinds way exceeding limitations, as to the reason for the crash.

I beleive the wind was right down the runway, 50kts. I doubt they were using autoland. Im going to go ahead and assume that they were professional pilots until proved otherwise.
 

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The investigation is an ICAO Annex 13 investigation with the Japanese Police doing the investigation. There are rules that they follow, the Canadians follow very similar rules. They basically only will give out the facts at the end of the investigation if I remember correctly. They do not give a "probable cause" or "recommendations" like the NTSB does. From what I know, do not expect a very good investigation. They promptly bulldozed the aircraft off the runway into a pile and re-paved the runway, in just a few hours.


Only ALPA has a standing position at ICAO. In addition, with the police doing the investigation, the criminalization of Air Line Pilots is a concern.

Representation required....
 
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