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This contract is way too long... We will own this thing for 10 years. We pretty much lost profit sharing; oh yeah, just keep the first 75 million! Got screwed on scope, we lost our disfavored carrier protection so now u can enjoy a nice flight on China Eastern or Aeroflot on your 24 hour tour around the world, our BUG went from 65 to 62, and oh yeah, keep us out another day! that's cool! instead of getting paid 6 hours for the home study I just completed I get paid 3. The deadhead I just completed will get paid out at a third instead of half, and how the hell did we just sign off on a contract without any sort of line guarantee? Not to mention they took out 400 dollars from my last paycheck for hotel tax...oh yeah! These Assclowns have been making us pay the taxes on our hotels when we sit reserve in base...this is insane. But; oh yeah! I'm making a ton of money with a really high rig! wow!
 
I like my job; it's a good job. I don't mean to bitch. It's just hard to watch this go down, we had such a great chance to negotiate an amazing contract with a company making record profits and sitting on a billion in cash buying airplanes and growing like crazy. We could have really done something great; but, instead we negotiated this contract in the same fashion as the Cards pitching staff last night... It's just hard to watch. I wanted better, you guys deserve better and I know that we could have gotten better. It's still a great place to work and I'll leave it at that
 
Big Pimpn: You have some really good points that I think should be addressed. The early opener is in 4 years and we need guys like you to be ready when we can start.

I totally agree with some of your concerns and others I do not. Profit Sharing is a joke. A corporation has so much latitude to show a profit or a loss that it is not even funny. If I was the CFO and had the choice of paying out profit sharing or paying cash for a brand new 747-8 which one do you think I would do? I would rather take higher pay rates than profit sharing that is left up to our management to decide if we get it our not.

I would also like a higher guarantee but most of the time it won't matter. It is the rig, not hours flown, or guarantee that is paying out for these lines. Our kind of flying will almost always have the rig paying rather than either hard time or guarantee.

Deadhead pay....I agree with you 100%. We should get paid more for that. In most cases, even if we got more credit for that, the rig should pay out more.

Taxes....I agree with you 100%. I heard a rumor that since the company views our hotel in base as compensation and takes out taxes that our union is asking why we are not getting the match on that compensation in our 401k....Brilliant Move! I hope this fight gets traction.

Scope...I agree with you 100%. This should be first on our list to fix with the new contract. Without scope, none of the rest of what we are talking about even matters.
 
The first 767 is out flying. They did the mini-evac and doing ETOPS runs I believe this weekend or early next week. It was doing bounces up in the NY area on the 1st.

The second 767 was pulled into the hangar for paint on Tuesday if memory serves me. It was sitting on the ramp all taped up for a few days. Not sure when that one will be out.

The third one has been picked out and is coming from Air Canada, but from what JC told the new hire class a couple weeks ago the deal is not totally done.

Sounds like OE for the first class of captains end of the month.
 
Are all recent newhires getting the 767? What about future classes - what will be the likely mix between 767 and 744 for newhires?
 
Will all of the 767s initially be used on DHL routes out of CVG? Only domestic flying? Anyone know more details on how the 767s will be used? I thought a few would be used for MAC passenger charters but I could be wrong...
 
Five 767's that DHL owns and Atlas will crew will most likely do night hub turns out of CVG and three that Atlas is buying and own will be passenger for the military.
 
JonnyKnoxville said:
The rig will pay huge and the hourly rates went up significantly. Always room for improvement. The retirement contribution and vacation could be significantly better. The paychecks will tell the story over the next few months.

As far as time off, my lines to bid from were 13-14 days of work. Leaving 17-18 days off next month. That seems pretty good to me.
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Do your lines give you trips with layovers flying for specific airlines, or do you start at a gateway and then wait to be assigned specific flights? Are there certain trips or routes or airline customers that are more popular or not as popular? Which longer trip has been your favorite so far?


Godspeed!


OYS
 
On Your Six said:
Do your lines give you trips with layovers flying for specific airlines, or do you start at a gateway and then wait to be assigned specific flights? Are there certain trips or routes or airline customers that are more popular or not as popular? Which longer trip has been your favorite so far?


Godspeed!


OYS
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Asking about Atlas....General Lee, I am shocked, I thought you always said that Delta was the best any pilot could ever hope for? Is it the threat of your pilot group selling out your job to Delta Connection, Southwest moving into Atlanta to cause an even further "capacity reduction", or Big Jet envy to compensate for something else?
 
JonnyKnoxville said:
Asking about Atlas....General Lee, I am shocked, I thought you always said that Delta was the best any pilot could ever hope for? Is it the threat of your pilot group selling out your job to Delta Connection, Southwest moving into Atlanta to cause an even further "capacity reduction", or Big Jet envy to compensate for something else?
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Not Lee, but I do correspond with him on here. I don't think either of us would like your longer schedules, but he'd have to agree with that himself. Not me, I have a wife that wants to see me, along with our daughter. I don't know how you do it, relationships must be tough. I just wondered what type of lines you guys bid and for different customers. I enjoy my 4 and 5 day trips on the mini-bus, and I will bid the Whale someday if I want to see more of the world, or the 767, or the A330, you get the picture. I guess you were turned down at Delta? Lots of hostillity in your post, I guess GL really got under your skin obviously. Btw, the capacity reduction is mainly RJs, and Southwest is actually reducing the number of AT flights in ATL to a total of 175 flights per day, and will probably keep fares high to pay for that merger. Also, I moved up 58 numbers this month due to retirements, and I bet Lee did too.


Godspeed!


OYS
 
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On Your Six said:
Not Lee, but I do correspond with him on here. I don't think either of us would like your longer schedules, but he'd have to agree with that himself. Not me, I have a wife that wants to see me, along with our daughter. I don't know how you do it, relationships must be tough. I just wondered what type of lines you guys bid and for different customers. I enjoy my 4 and 5 day trips on the mini-bus, and I will bid the Whale someday if I want to see more of the world, or the 767, or the A330, you get the picture. I guess you were turned down at Delta? Lots of hostillity in your post, I guess GL really got under your skin obviously. Btw, the capacity reduction is mainly RJs, and Southwest is actually reducing the number of AT flights in ATL to a total of 175 flights per day, and will probably keep fares high to pay for that merger. Also, I moved up 58 numbers this month due to retirements, and I bet Lee did too.


Godspeed!


OYS
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you gotta admit, here's an airline with less than 1/20th the size of the DAL fleet, and yet their revenues, profits and market cap are, way, way, way, way, way higher as a percent of their relative size. Not to mention, today's Atlas captain makes as much as a DAL captain, if not more with the 2xmonths salary profit share check. Not bad..
 
On Your Six said:
Not Lee, but I do correspond with him on here. I don't think either of us would like your longer schedules, but he'd have to agree with that himself. Not me, I have a wife that wants to see me, along with our daughter. I don't know how you do it, relationships must be tough. I just wondered what type of lines you guys bid and for different customers. I enjoy my 4 and 5 day trips on the mini-bus, and I will bid the Whale someday if I want to see more of the world, or the 767, or the A330, you get the picture. I guess you were turned down at Delta? Lots of hostillity in your post, I guess GL really got under your skin obviously. Btw, the capacity reduction is mainly RJs, and Southwest is actually reducing the number of AT flights in ATL to a total of 175 flights per day, and will probably keep fares high to pay for that merger. Also, I moved up 58 numbers this month due to retirements, and I bet Lee did too.


Godspeed!


OYS
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If you really aren't GL (which is a really big IF), and you are flying the bus, then I am sorry. My hostility was not meant for you. It was the other half of the fence that I can not stand.
 

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