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Sammy@US

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Any information on JALways through World Aviation Systems, Inc (www.wasinc.net) would be appreciated. I'm particularly interested in pay and benefits for F/O or F/E positions.

Thanks!
 
PM a guy that goes by the moniker of GCD on this board. I don't think he will mind writing you. I believe he flew 2 contracts with JAL in the past. Good Luck
 
That would be me.

I sent you a PM, but I'll post the info for others.

I loved working the JALways contract. The only reason I left is because I had to take care of family matters on the mainland, and commuting is VERY difficult. I'll get back to that, later.

IASCO is the contractor I worked for as a pilot. The PFE's are mostly HACS guys. IASCO is a good employer, and pays on time. There is a 401K plan, which I still belong to. The company rules didn't have a provision to contribute, but that may have changed becasue the Japanese were concerned that we have a better retirement.

Starting pay is good. I'm not current, but around $110/hr. Pay is 80% for the first 90 days of training, then full pay in training. A pay raise was being negotiated when I left in Sep 01. Per diem on the road varies from city. When I left, Tokyo was $88 a day.

Training is about seven months in Tokyo and Moses Lake, WA, then one month on line. The Moses Lake part was the most fun. You get to fly the actual airplane in the pattern. We were authorized to circle, so we practiced it at Moses Lake. It's cool to see these giant airplanes circling at 300 feet agl, and with two of them in the pattern at the same time, looks like an airshow. Your contract starts upon completion of the line check.

You get two two week visits to the US during training. Coach class travel to the US and your home is paid by the company. Once I got to LA, I was on DAL, so I used my Skymiles to upgrade.

The interview will be in the US. The sim eval is in a B747 in Tokyo. Plan on five days for the sim eval. The profile is easy, and they give you a practice session the day before the actual eval. The profile is to takeoff from Tokyo Haneda RWY 34R, right turn at 500' AGL to a heading of 100' to intercept the Sakura Departure. There is an intial level off at 2,000', then a climb to 12,000. At 10,000, accelerate to 280 KIAS. At 12,000' a steep turn (always start with a right turn, Japanese way). It will take about 69 - 70 % N1 to be level at 280 KIAS, so increase N1 to 73% and hold the attitude indicator to 41/2' nose up to maintain 280 KIAS. After the steep turn, ILS to Haneda, usually RWY 34R (of course this may have changed a little, but knowing the Japanese, not by much).

The physical is an astronaut physical with a psych test and a visit to a shrink. Most of the washouts are from the physical. Don't jog for about five days prior to the physical because traces of blood will be found in your urine. If you are athletic, be sure to jog in place prior to the resting EKG to get you pulse over 60. Mine is usually 48 at rest, so I had to run in place for a minute for EVERY physical.

Training is a test of will and patience. All of the Boeing and training manuals are translated from English to Japanese, back to English. A few things get lost in the training material, but you can get through with help from each other in class. If you don't drink or smoke going into training, you will at the end of training because of stress and boredom.

You are put up in a very nice hotel in training. It just seems like you are in a jail cell, though, because you are in the same room for so long. You get sort of bored, at times. Did you know there are 97 characters in Kanji to tell you to pull up the knob for shower? That's how bored you get at times.

Working on line is great. It's a little intense during the OJT (IOE) because it is done the Japanese way, with a Japanese checker. The HNL crews, however, are mostly US and Canadian, some Brits, a New Zealander (great guy), and a few Iranians (great gentlemen). When I left the CP was Jamaican, Mon. There's another Jamaican guy who is a real hoot to fly with, and funny as hell.

Any deadheading between Tokyo and Honolulu is business class for FO's and PFE's, and first (if available) for CA's. Domestic (Japan) deadheading is coach, and can be uncomfortable. I'm Japanese sized, and I got uncomfortable. We had a few really tall guys, and I know they were hurting.

When I was there, upgrade was a minimum of three years with the company, and not necessarily by senioity. There is a merit system, and an upgrade checkride.

The contract is officially a non commuting contract. They expect you to live in Hawaii. There are some guys who pay for the travel to the mainland because jumpseats went away with 9/11. There was talk about an allownace at one time, but don't know if that went through. ID 90's available on DAL, UAL, CAL, and ID75 on AAL. I used CAL a lot to Texas. But be aware, non-rev travel is hard to/from Hawaii. I bought full fare tickets to travel through www.Cheaptickets.com. I used my DAL Skymiles to send my wife home twice a year.

Would I do it again? Hell, yes! I loved it there, but family problems were putting an incredible amount of pressure on me, at the time. I had to put my mother in a nursing home while I was out there, and it was getting hard as hell to travel to/from Texas, keep up my military and family obligations. When the family problem no longer exists, and I retire from the Army, I may apply again, even with the loss of senioity (provided I can pass the physical, then).
 
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GCD,

What kind of schedule did you work? And do you get a pay raise annually? And when you renew your contract, does the pay continue to increase? Once you have the job, can you stay as long as you want, as long as you are willing to renew the contract? What are the consequences if you decide to quit before the contract period is over?

Just curious. Thanks again,

Sammy
 
Yes, there are annual pay raises. Contracts are renewable, and unless you are a real dork, you will be renewed.

Schedules are monthly. There is sort of a bid system. You can request the days off you need, and they will honestly try to give them to you. They will back-to-back trips for you to get long stretches off. The minimum is ten days off. I once got a line with 18 days off, but I flew my butt off. There is no reserve system. Everyone gets one or two "standby days" per month, where you are expected to be in Honolulu (unless that has changed). I only got called once on a standby day (that one of my funny stories I tell about Japanese culture, but that's for another time).

I don't want to reveal too much about a contract because I don't have current information, and I don't want to betray IASCO because that is information between the contrator and signee.
It is sufficient to say that the contracts are easy to understand and fair. Of course, there is a non-completion clause.

I don't think anyone is out to screw anyone. As I said, I would go back after things change in my life.
 
Yea, I forgot to mention the age limit.

Age 60 is maximum age for captains, but at 60 you can stay in the right seat until 63. There have been a few guys do this. Of course, you go back to FO pay.
 
Iasco had an 85 hour guarantee
Then Hawaii Aviation under cut with a 65 hour guarantee.
Then WASINC started up with a 50 hour guarantee.
I went thru the WASINC interview and medical and declined the position.

Jeff
 
Can anyone give me an idea what kind of hours are competitive as far as getting an interview with JAL/WASINC. Do they distinguish between mil and civ time

Thanks
 
Where do you guys fly out of Hawaii? Is it for the 747-200, DC-10, or 744? Do you go anywhere else in Asia, like Bangkok? Do they put you up in nice hotels in Japan on the overnights? I remember seeing something about a DC-10 flying from NRT-Kona and on to Honolulu.

Bye Bye---General Lee:cool: :rolleyes:
 
Frix,

Right now one must be very competitive because there are so many US and Canadian pilots walking the streets. With that said, however, the physical is still the big factor, so I would try, if I were you. Military time in transports will help. Fighter jocks with little airline time have left a bad taste.

General Lee,

We, or they now, fly to several Japan destinations from HNL in the DC-10 and B-747-200 & 300. They also serve Bangkok from NRT and KIX, with an occasional Khatmandu. The plan was to do the Guam and Saipan daily runs, but at the time I left, they were too short-handed to do them.

The hotels are good. We did stay at a great place in Bangkok, but when I left, we were in a brothel type place.

It depends on the time of year which airplane does the NRT-KOA-HNL flights. They were sort of a ball-buster because it was an all night flight from NRT to KOA, then about 90 minutes on the ground, dragging you bag out to clear customs, then climb back into the airplane to fly the 30 minute leg to HNL. Although, it is sort of fun to fly the whale like an RJ, except a whole lot faster.
 
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GCD,

Thank you for the detailed review. I must admit, I just finished the online application with WASInc, but now I'm beginning to have second thoughts.

After a forum search, I've discovered that some of the contract pilots seem to look at the WASInc new-hires in a less than favorable light. This is mainly due to the fact that they accepted positions at lower standards (i.e. - lower 50 hr. guarantee, and possibly lower pay?).

I am also concerned about the comments regarding the native JAL Pilots and the way they treat U.S. or foreign contract pilots. The general consensus seems to be that the contractors are not treated well. Is this fact?

What are your thoughts and recommendations on these matters? Thank you for your reply :)

750Driver
 
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750,

What forum did you search? I would be interested in reading it because WASINC is new, since I lieft in 0901.

We didn't mix the crews. We only flew with our JALways guys based in HNL, so I don't know where one can say we were treated any differently. I thought the Japanese pilots were friendly, but they didn't speak English well enough to be comfortable talking to us. I have been invited into several homes in Japan, and still have many friends there. Heck, I could call the crew office in NRT right now and talk to an old friend.

I did do recurrent emergency training with a 767 captain who was raised in the US. His English was perfect Amurican. We had a great time together. I think the unfriendly perception is from guys who don't understand the Japanese very well.

Now, I am not saying there is no racism in Japan. Many Japanese really do believe that they are the master race, and that gaijin (outsiders) are less than pure. However, there are just as many Japanese who welcome gaijin. A gaijin JAL pilot is a celebrity, of sorts. My photo is in more Japanese scrapbooks than my own family has of me.
 
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Hey 750,

There is a little bit of tension in the cockpit sometimes because of this whole WASINC thing. The captain who started WASINC was recently fired from JALways although people don't know the reason. We can assume that it's because of WASINC. I can also tell you that lots of WASINC pilots are going to transfer to IASCO or HACS as soon as there is an opening with these companies.
Most of the time you are flying with foreign captains so the atmosphere in the cockpit is nice. If you can understand the Japanese way of training and thinking you will do very well in the company. They just want to hear "I am sorry" if you screw up. I hope this helps you out.
 
I just finished the online application with WASInc, but now I'm beginning to have second thoughts.


I wouldn't lose too much sleep. I too am having second thoughts, mainly because of commuting, but lets face it, they're not calling. :rolleyes:
 
First off, I would like to thank GCD and Varig for the feedback. Let me make a few comments:

GCD said:
750,

What forum did you search? I would be interested in reading it because WASINC is new, since I lieft in 0901.

I actually read the information here, on this forum. I ran a few queries using WASInc and JAL as search criteria. I tend to believe your review moreso for the simple reason that your information jives with the info given to me by a former Navy pilot I know. He spent some time in Japan and said they are great folks, but you need to understand their culture first.

GCD said:
My photo is in more Japanese scrapbooks than my own family has of me.

I'm not suprised. A friend of mine flew F-14's for VF-154 (Black Knights) and the Japanese followed him to various overseas airshows, photographed him in the aircraft, and presented him with a beautiful framed photograph. They love photography.

Varig said:
Hey 750,

There is a little bit of tension in the cockpit sometimes because of this whole WASINC thing. ... I can also tell you that lots of WASINC pilots are going to transfer to IASCO or HACS as soon as there is an opening with these companies. Most of the time you are flying with foreign captains so the atmosphere in the cockpit is nice. If you can understand the Japanese way of training and thinking you will do very well in the company. They just want to hear "I am sorry" if you screw up. I hope this helps you out.

Varig, the mere fact that a majority of these WASInc guys are considering a switch raises a red flag. I'm wondering if it's a compensation issue, quality of life issue, or both? Thank you for your post.

CCDiscoB said:


I wouldn't lose too much sleep. I too am having second thoughts, mainly because of commuting, but lets face it, they're not calling. :rolleyes:

CC, I would probably make the residential move, at least for the contract duration. Is that not a possibility for you? You're obviously well qualified; I think you should at least apply. It can't hurt. Best wishes :)

750 Driver
 
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