Any hawaiian pilots???

[HighSpeedClimb]

You can look at that way, but I see an opportunity to receive an extra $1000 a month to fly an extra trip. It has nothing to do with time, just more money we didn't have an opportunity to make before. Some people may not need more pay, but having lost 24% I do. Now, when we can finally pickup trips through the computer, I'll bid 80 hrs and pickup an additional trip for 12 odd hrs at 150% or $190 hr, or $2200 a month. Until we can do this, an extra $1000 to bank in the event we disappear makes logic to me. As you said, we get paid 80 hrs for flying around 60 hrs. I'm not sure why its such a big deal to you that someone wants to bank more payroll, if you don't want to fly 85 hrs or 6 trips the great thing is you don't have too...

 

[mdanno808]

It's not that I can't handle it. I just don't want to work that much or that hard, or be that happy.

My new catchphrase!

 

[Freight Dog]

You can look at that way, but I see an opportunity to receive an extra $1000 a month to fly an extra trip. It has nothing to do with time, just more money we didn't have an opportunity to make before. Some people may not need more pay, but having lost 24% I do. Now, when we can finally pickup trips through the computer, I'll bid 80 hrs and pickup an additional trip for 12 odd hrs at 150% or $190 hr, or $2200 a month. Until we can do this, an extra $1000 to bank in the event we disappear makes logic to me. As you said, we get paid 80 hrs for flying around 60 hrs.

That depends on your perspective. Because of our guarantee and actual hours flown, it's more accurate to look at our pay as salary as opposed to hourly i.e. based on days worked as opposed to hours flown. You can't tell me it really matters to you that you go from OGG to OAK or OGG to SAN or KOA to SNA. The difference in "time credit" is pure academic and given our work rules - meaningless. The fact that you want to bank that extra $1000 by working an extra trip, you're cheapening yourself and your fellow pilots because instead of getting paid time and a half for working that extra trip, you're getting paid time in half. Make sense?

I'm not sure why its such a big deal to you that someone wants to bank more payroll, if you don't want to fly 85 hrs or 6 trips the great thing is you don't have too...

That concept doesn't bother me at all. If the people bidding 85 don't value their time off or their own professional worth, that's their choice.
What does bother me is that this is the mentality that will preclude any recovery in 2009 because right now the Company made a nice little precision cut in our work rules that by 2009 is going to be a hole big enough for all Aloha pilots to fit through. In other words, you think you'll get a payraise in 2009? Dream on, brother! You'll get an extra 3-day trip and $1000 more for working that extra 3 day trip just like now. Instead, unlike now, it won't be optional, but mandatory for everyone.

You wanna call it a pay raise? Banking more payroll? I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't.

About the only good thing Aloha pilot group has right now is our work rules. Those bidding 85 hours are only undermining it, and their actions will become self-evident in 2009. Mark my words!

Open time at 150% rate is a whole different ball game.

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Open time at 150% is a different ball game, and until we have it, maybe 2 or 3 months from now I'm going to bank $1000 more. Putting in 17 years here and losing 24% doesn't undermine my professional worth. BTW, what makes you so sure I'm betting on a raise in 2009. I see no raise until I get back my original 24%...Period...Nobody is being put on the street cause of my 85 hour action so I have no remorse. BTW, this month I have vacation and ALPA time, so I'm working 3 trips and getting paid 85 hrs worth, which is how I'm running this 85 hour deal.

 

[Freight Dog]

No, there might be some merit in selling your vacation at the 85 hour rate. You get extra 10 minute credit per vacation day. You get an additional GO regardless. Whether V85 is worth it to you is your call.

One can try to justify just about anything with his/her personal needs. We may not think this action undermines our professional worth, however rest assured that Mr. Banmiller is chomping at the bits at us working that extra trip for only half of its value. You simply can't argue with the spreadsheet.

My additional concern is that we're setting a dangerous precedent by allowing 18 work days per month. Like I said earlier, I'm worried about that becoming a norm. During my commute, I regularly see some UAL crews literally brag about how good they have working 6 3-day Hawaii trips and getting roughly 70 hours of pay. HAL posted about how much their crews work... I don't know man - we're dangerously screwing with one good thing left after having had our contract gutted with respect to pay and retirement.