any America West rumors??

[Auto-throttle]

Has anyone heard any encouraging news from the recruitment department about possible classes?

 

[B190Captain]

I heard no more this year. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Pilotbob3]

its true...the april 25th class of 10 was cancelled and we all got a letter stating no more classes at least through the end of the year. but of course everything is subject to change! i did hear that AWA may ask for voluntary leaves....and then the next step is, dare i say, the F word.

 

[jon coqtoestone]

i did hear that AWA may ask for voluntary leaves....and then the next step is, dare i say, the F word.

I heard a rumor that the offer for unpaid summer vacation was so enthusiastically received that chief pilot's office had to start turning down requests. Hopefully this will prevent a recurrence of "involuntary leaves."

Of course, with parking 737's and more CRJ-900's coming online, who knows how much longer there will be a mainline . . .

Cheers!

 

[General Lee]

Jon,

What are the limits on the CRJ-90 for AWA? Are there any scope limits? Also, how many planes are you parking? Are you getting any more A320/A319's or any more used 757's? Your people over there are great, I have jumped from ATL many times and have always been treated great.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Guppiedriver]

Jon,

What are the limits on the CRJ-90 for AWA? Are there any scope limits? Also, how many planes are you parking? Are you getting any more A320/A319's or any more used 757's? Your people over there are great, I have jumped from ATL many times and have always been treated great.

Bye Bye--General Lee

The sky. No. Five 737's. I think we are getting 2 more busses.

 

[jon coqtoestone]

Guppiedriver's answers are the same as I've heard, but I'll believe the Airbus deliveries only after they actually happen. Supposedly, there was to be no mainline growth until 2006, I think? Maybe the deliveries are to offset the loss of the two -300's we're parking? Or, the Airbuses are a rumor carrot? Even if we get those two Airbuses this year, we're still down a net of 3 mainline birds, all of them -200's, while the plans are sitting at 12 super-big "little" jets by December.

Over the last month, my personal experience load factors have been 85-90% (with three exceptions). I guess I just don't get "the big picture."

Cheers!

 

[General Lee]

Jon,

Thanks for the response. I have noticed a lot more CR7's and CR9's in the Skyguide (OAG) lately---along with many more DL*CR7's too. I just saw that Mesa will be flying a CR9 from SEA to PHX! That is amazing. Well, I guess if Demand isn't that good or maybe demand is sooo good that they need extra filler flights.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[embdrvr]

Jon,

I just saw that Mesa will be flying a CR9 from SEA to PHX! That is amazing. Well, I guess if Demand isn't that good or maybe demand is sooo good that they need extra filler flights.

More than likely it's because they can get a 12 year captain to fly the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** thing for less than 80 bucks an hour and it hauls almost as many people as a 73.

 

[General Lee]

Embdrvr,

This isn't a thing you should be joking about. Sure, expansion is nice, but look what the management of Skywest is trying to pull. Comair and ASA will try to follow if Skywest succeeds. Jobs at the Majors will be harder to get when they start hiring again someday, and the pay is falling at the regional level. The pay at the LCC's aren't exceptional either, although Southwest's is good. But, atleast they will be flying the 90 seaters to SEA, where they should go get some tasty chowder.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Auto-throttle]

Not really the rumors I was hoping to hear.

RJs are bad, pilots flying RJs for less and less money are even worse !!

SkyWest pilots, you MUST turn down the TA.

Please don't set the new standards.

 

[stillaboo]

The load factors at Freedom (the certificate Mesa currently has all their 700's and 900's on) are 79.25% last week, "the highest I've ever seen them" according to JO (from the Friday, May 3 Mesa Air Group hotline).

I don't know what load factors have to be on 73's to get into the black, but it seems like HP could be making $ on these routes, even with their higher paid crews.

So there's no scope on the 900's at HP? That is disappointing news, even from the other side of the fence.
-Boo!

 

[EMB_driver2002]

Speaking of HP, anyone know the best way to update an application there?

 

[Guppiedriver]

Guppiedriver's answers are the same as I've heard, but I'll believe the Airbus deliveries only after they actually happen. Supposedly, there was to be no mainline growth until 2006, I think? Maybe the deliveries are to offset the loss of the two -300's we're parking? Or, the Airbuses are a rumor carrot? Even if we get those two Airbuses this year, we're still down a net of 3 mainline birds, all of them -200's, while the plans are sitting at 12 super-big "little" jets by December.

Over the last month, my personal experience load factors have been 85-90% (with three exceptions). I guess I just don't get "the big picture."

Cheers!

Yes you do get "the big picture". It's Doogie and his minions that don't!

 

[Bud]

The pay at the LCC's aren't exceptional either, although Southwest's is good.

Boy, I tell ya. Some of you guys have to really do your homework on Southwest. A 12 year captain flying 80 hours a month makes about 217,000/yr. Not including stock options or profitsharing. Not too shabby for a 73.

 

[bigsky]

80 x 12 = 960 per year.
217000 divided by 960 = 226 per hour? sounds high unless they get a helluva perdiem check. ( but honestly I dont know what they get)

 

[embdrvr]

Embdrvr,

This isn't a thing you should be joking about. Sure, expansion is nice, but look what the management of Skywest is trying to pull. Comair and ASA will try to follow if Skywest succeeds. Jobs at the Majors will be harder to get when they start hiring again someday, and the pay is falling at the regional level. The pay at the LCC's aren't exceptional either, although Southwest's is good. But, atleast they will be flying the 90 seaters to SEA, where they should go get some tasty chowder.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner on this but I've been working a lot. I would have thought that the tone of my post insinuated something other than the way you perceived it. The current 90 seat payscale at Mesa blows chunks. I'd rather see those planes operated by a mainline carrier rather than be flown for those kind of rates.

 

[General Lee]

EMBDRVR,

I've been working a lot too, we've been really full lately on Mainline, just like you guys I guess. Yeah, I hope the rates don't fall on those 90 seaters or we will have lower rates on our eventual 100 seaters. Fred reid said something about A318's or 737-600's etc. We want the rates to stay higher too.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bud]

Hey Bigsky,

I should have given a little more detail on pay rates.

We actually get paid per trip...(dont get me started on that subject. I barely understand it myself.). 80 flt. hours is around 100 "trips" for the month. 12 yr. Ca pay is 173.00 per trip. Plus around 500$ per mo. perdiem

 

[acaTerry]

No scope to protect mainline + low wages etc at Mesa = well, you get the idea... Can you see it now?....Parker/Ornstein in 2004.