Anti-gunners....chew on this

[Acestick]

We give the pilots access to the flight controls, and now we lock them in there so if they WANTED to bring down the plane they could, and nobody would stop them even if they tried. We also have crash axes in the cockpit, yet we still take away their nail files.

People don't realize that their lives are in the hands of the pilots whether they admit it or not...

So why are people saying that giving guns to pilots is not safe???

From block out to block in the pilots have our lives in their hands...And we all have seen what a f*@%ing joke airport security is - so why not let the pilots defend the cockpit and the airplane?

I say that a .45 should be in every flight bag!!!!!

 

[hyper]

Obviously, I'm pro-gun. But all of my statements should assume the existance of a comprehensive training program. I am NOT for pilots having guns (or anyone for that matter) that cannot demonstrate an acceptable level of proficiency. We must do this to have a CWP, so should anyone else.

 

[desert pilot]

HYPER,do you really think that ALL pilots will be allowed to carry guns?Now they are talking about ex military etc. That wont work,non military pilots have the same right to defend the plane and themselves.What about currency-do some shooting during your BFR?SCENARIO FOR YOU-lets say a group of young chinese men on your plane start fighting,you run out with your gun-they take over you your gun and the cockpit! any solutions?

 

[flx757]

SCENARIO FOR YOU-lets say a group of young chinese men on your plane start fighting,you run out with your gun-they take over you your gun and the cockpit! any solutions?

Simple.....don't "run out". That is not part of the equation. The "last line of defense" is in case someone manages to enter the cockpit. Having the pilots exiting it is not the plan.

 

[onetaco]

2) If terrorists know that pilots are "packing" then I would think, since they (the terrorists) who apprarently have no fear of death, would not think twice to dissarm a pilot whether he be at the controls of a jet or in the men's room at an airport terminal.

If terrorists know that airport police & security are "packing" and it's so easy to disarm someone. Why don't they just disarm a cop in the men's/womens's room and use his/her gun?

3) As soon as the cockpit door opens when a flight is in progress (entry doors closed) security is compromised because the pilots can be dissarmed, especially if they're busy.

(Security was comprised when we let these people across our unsecure border. But that's another topic.)

Do you think a pilot would have better odds going hand to hand with a terrorist? Do you think these people want to just fly to Havana and then negotiate on the tarmac for 12 hours? Their goal is to kill you. Do you think an unarmed pilot can somehow just talk the terrorist out of killing everyone? The stakes have gone up. Give a trained pilot a gun so he can use it as the last line of defense. It's to simple...

 

[hyper]

Desertpilot,

Nobody's going to come running out of a cockpit with a gun. The ENTIRE point is last line of defense.

Did you actually read my previous post? Here it is again because you obviously missed it:

"Obviously, I'm pro-gun. But all of my statements should assume the existance of a comprehensive training program. I am NOT for pilots having guns (or anyone for that matter) that cannot demonstrate an acceptable level of proficiency. We must do this to have a CWP, so should anyone else."

Ummmm, I believe I mentioned that not all pilots should have them. You carry a permit for the gun, you go to regular check through your local feds or law enforcement to demonstrate proficiency. It certainly isn't impossible.

Bigflyer,

"1) If you cant even get a pair of tweezers through security, how do you suppose we'll be able to slip through with a hand gun? "

Dude, don't you read the news? People are getting through with guns all the time.......and we are in a heightened state of security! CVG and JFK were among the worst with a 50% failure rate in detecting objects planted to resemble guns and bombs.
How many folks filter through just those two airports alone each day? It is sad, but you can't stick your head in the sand and pretend it ain't happening.

"For those of you that live in a constant state of fear and paranoia and insist on "packing" when you go to McDonalds or Chucky-Cheese... Unless you have said weapon in your hand don't ever think that you cannot be dissarmed. Also, answer the following if you can."

I don't live in a constant state of fear and I don't pack when I go to mcdonalds, but I'll bet many more are than you'd care to think about.

I've said it before, I'll gladly give mine up when the criminals give theirs.

 

[atpcliff]

Guns already HAVE been carried

Hi!

Most people now don't know this (I just found out last year). Previously, pilots were ALLOWED by the FAA to carry loaded handguns with them in the airport and in the cockpit.

I jumpseated with an older TWA captain, who always carried a loaded revolver in his flight case, until (about 1980, I think?), the FAA disallowed the practice.

A number of pilots carried guns for years. How many passengers or flight crew, or general public in the airports were accidently shot by these pilots over the years? 0.

How many were injured or killed by accident? 0.

I want a gun.

Cliff
GRB

PS-This captain said that if those pilots in the highjacked aircraft had guns, the planes would'nt have been highjacked, and wouldn't have destroyed the towers or the pentagon.

 

[hyper]

135 already states that with approval from the c.ert. holder, crewmemers may carry

 

[chawbein]

A slight conundrum...

Do both the pilot and the FO get to pack heat? If only one has the gun, who gets to shoot the "hijackers"???
One possible problem that could arise might be that the pilot and FO get into an arguement about who gets to shoot, and then result being that nobody shoots...

Just kidding, but really, do both get to carry a weapon? It is really a moot arguement, because I'm sure that it will never happen again, at least as long as there are people like me on the plane.

 

[desert pilot]

hyper-scenario 2-thru the video cam you see the gang raping the fa-what do you do?