Another What to Buy Thread (7 mill.)

[CRAZY LEGS]

Hey All

I'm in a similar situation. We currently have a CJ3, and the boss is disappointed that he can not make HPN-DEN everyday.

Can any Excel drivers chime in??? Our mission: HPN-DEN nonstop - How many pax can we carry with an Excel?

A Lear 45 may be a better choice for us, but the boos seems to like Cessna's

You can make that trip everyday in the LR-45- Fill the seats and go

 

[ag2pilot]

For those that know, besides the Pro Line 21 what does the XLS have over the Excel? Also, do they have a tiller or pedal steering. The chief pilot is leaning towards an Excel/XLS. Thanks again for the help!

The Pro Line 21 doesn't show up till the XLS+. I think there is a slight performance increase with the XLS over the Excel.

I am surprised nobody has mentioned the Encore. Should be able to do HPN-DEN with 4 pax pretty consistently. Small cabin though.

 

[Twotter76]

The Pro Line 21 doesn't show up till the XLS+. I think there is a slight performance increase with the XLS over the Excel.

I am surprised nobody has mentioned the Encore. Should be able to do HPN-DEN with 4 pax pretty consistently. Small cabin though.

I fly an Encore for NJA and I would say that HPN-DEN would be a bit of a reach. I think you could probably do it in the summer if you went right to 450 and pulled it back to long range cruise but in winter I don't see it happening with any regularity. The Encore is a great airplane for a 3+30 hour trip and rockets off short runways like no jet i've flown - amazing climg performance and a solid .74-.75 airplane but when you start looking at legs over 1500 miles you need to start considering something else. An Excel wouldn't be a bad choice, a Hawker would probably be a better one, much nicer cabin and no problems with the range.

 

[ag2pilot]

I fly an Encore for NJA and I would say that HPN-DEN would be a bit of a reach. I think you could probably do it in the summer if you went right to 450 and pulled it back to long range cruise but in winter I don't see it happening with any regularity. The Encore is a great airplane for a 3+30 hour trip and rockets off short runways like no jet i've flown - amazing climg performance and a solid .74-.75 airplane but when you start looking at legs over 1500 miles you need to start considering something else. An Excel wouldn't be a bad choice, a Hawker would probably be a better one, much nicer cabin and no problems with the range.

Actually, HPN- DEN is under 1500 miles (1408). But I hadn't checked before my first post, and I agree that it would be a stretch, especially coming out of the Notheast. However I have done MGY- MYF and landed with 1000+ lbs, and SGF- CYYT and landed with 1200 lbs. Both of those trips were with good WX at the destination.

 

[Tgaug6300]

There really isn't a lot of difference with the Excel and the XLS. Some minor changers in avionics. The Brake reservoir was moved from the nose compartment to the left rear side on the XLS (just foward of the battery compartment). The APU was optional in the Excel. In the XLS the APU is standard. Excel has PW545A engines, XLS PW545B.There were someother engineering changes, but that is the big changes.

The only way to tell the two apart if they are sitting on the ground is to look at the main landing gear wells. In the Excel with the gear retracted a small amount of the tire was in the windstream. On the XLS there is a fairing located on the wheel well.

That is correct that there is a slight performance increase too.

 

[Silver Wings]

The answer

Well it doesn't match the cabin size, but in all other aspects meets and exceeds your needs.

The Swearingen SJ30

It is faster than a Premier 1A
It has Hawker range (almost) at 2,500nm (1,800nm off MTOW)
Frugal on fuel 130gal 1st hr then 120-110 following
Cruise up to 49,000ft
Sea Level cabin to 41,000ft and only 1,80ft cabin at FL490
Single pilot certified, flight into known icing
In production and being delivered now...although production quantities are being ramped up as we speak.

 

[Iam3rd]

From an owner standpoint the great thing about the excel, xls and the soon to be xls+ is that they hold thier value better than any aircraft on the market right now. I know a car dealer that has had the excel and xls and sold them after 2 years each to buy a newer one and each time he sold the aircraft for more than he paid for it. He currently has another xls and has an xls+ on order.

Also, the company that owns Harris Teeter based in CLT just sold their 2 excels that were about 5 or 6 years old to replace them with xls's. They sold each of them for more than they paid for them back 5 or 6 years ago.

 

[Beantown]

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Also, the company that owns Harris Teeter based in CLT just sold their 2 excels that were about 5 or 6 years old to replace them with xls's. They sold each of them for more than they paid for them back 5 or 6 years ago.

Does Harris Teeter need another pilot to fly these new XLS? I'm a good pilot, who lives in CLT and I really need a new job

 

[Iam3rd]

They actually have a joint flight dept. with Charlotte Pipe. It is called Teal Aviation and they are based at CLT over at Wilson. They don't do much hiring. People only leave to retire or medical. Pretty hard to get in. They also just bought a new Falcon 2000 last fall.

 

[Senior_Citizen]

Seems that Cessna will to announce a New C.X this year as the Winglet upgrade is done, the "new" X will have the same avionics on the Sovereign, less empty weight and maybe an updated engine, and the Winglet, and a bit more LRC Range or a extra pax at LRC.

A better bet are the Ch300, or the Hawker Horizon, but you need to find one or wait until your next life, C.X for some operator maybe more flexible and cheaper, depends on your typical trips and maintenance costs.