Another unproductive ASA mediation session

[SiuDude]

Mediated negotiations resumed Friday in Washington, D.C. We are disappointed to report that after two days of intense negotiations we were unable to reach a tentative agreement. The remaining open issues have been narrowed to five. They are: Scope, Pay rates, Retro pay, Duty rigs and Retirement 401(k) contributions...
...The session was adjourned by the mediators in the evening. The mediators will now be reporting to the members of the National Mediation Board (NMB) who will ultimately decide how our case will proceed. At this time we do not know when the NMB will advise the Association as to how this case will be handled.

 

[79%N1]

See ya'all in August or September! Just as all predicted!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

So we've narrowed the five open sections down to five open sections.

 

[~~~^~~~]

A little scary.

Jerry Atkin said, you guys can hold out for a contract that makes you the highest cost and get it. But, I will operate the airplanes where it is most cost effective to do so.

I fear we will get a TA with all the QOL, pay, and retirement, a few guys age 58 have demanded only to have no scope section. Then this TA will be presented to the ASA pilots who will ratify a dollar today in exchange for no tomorrow.

And why can't either side give us any details on the scope proposals going back and forth across the table?

The one advantage ALPA has is scope. Scope is the only job enhancement that ALPA can negotiate which can not be matched by the un-represented SkyWest pilots.

 

[flylowman]

I for one am about tired of all this $hit. We the pilot group need to do what we can do. Put pressure on "The Man", to get this contract finished with scope and QOL issues. Captains do your part.

 

[SSDD]

Forgive my ignorance, but I've asked this a number of times without getting a reply. What does scope for a regional feeder, who is also a subsidiary of a holding company looks like?

 

[John Pennekamp]

So two days passed and all they could agree on is line check pay, disability pay, and new hire pay. But I bet they had some great dinners and lots of jocular back slapping at the bar.

And now we get to stew for another three months as we watch our assets and routes continue to be transfered to other airlines. Way to go, y'all!

Maybe it's time to give the "other" coalition a shot...

 

[amcnd]

It didn't do a whole lot for Eagle!!! Look at all those CHQ and TSA EMB's painted in Eagle's colors!!

 

[BIGGOAT]

Hey Fins,

Scope will cost us! Is our pilot group willing to pay the cost? Retro or pay rates...

Goat

 

[Tomct]

Forgive my ignorance, but I've asked this a number of times without getting a reply. What does scope for a regional feeder, who is also a subsidiary of a holding company looks like?

I believe that the scope they are pushing for is "if airplanes start to transfer to skywst, the pilots at ASA go with them!" This will keep JA from screwing us like Lorenzo did to Eastern. This is what I have heard at various times of talking to P2P's. This is bare minimums of info about the scope...Anyone else have anything to add about the scope? Fins??

Come on NMB...time to insert the Cattle Prod and crank to FULL HIGH on mgmnt! RELEASE US....RELEASE US.....RELEASE US.....:angryfire

 

[~~~^~~~]

Hey Fins,

Scope will cost us! Is our pilot group willing to pay the cost? Retro or pay rates...

Goat

I can only speak for me, but my answer is YES.

SSDD: The best scope is OneList. I think Chautauqua/Republic/Shuttle did the right thing, as did Mesa/Freedom.

The next best is what Comair did with a holding Company letter + DOH when aircraft get transferred. Comair left some loopholes, but as you mainline guys are so fond of saying "that was negotiated during bankruptcy."

And I do belive that your question has recieved a reply. I know mainline guys don't like the idea of regional guys having binding contracts with their employers, but they do it the same way you do. We are all subsidiaries of holding companies these days.

 

[Speedtape]

So two days passed and all they could agree on is line check pay, disability pay, and new hire pay. But I bet they had some great dinners and lots of jocular back slapping at the bar.

And now we get to stew for another three months as we watch our assets and routes continue to be transfered to other airlines. Way to go, y'all!

Maybe it's time to give the "other" coalition a shot...

Your concerns are valid. Maybe you or your better half should get a job at another company to reduce your personal exposure.

Maybe it's time that the people who are filling out those surveys, stand up and get counted.

 

[MELIT]

I believe that the scope they are pushing for is "if airplanes start to transfer to skywst, the pilots at ASA go with them!" This will keep JA from screwing us like Lorenzo did to Eastern. This is what I have heard at various times of talking to P2P's. This is bare minimums of info about the scope...Anyone else have anything to add about the scope? Fins??

Come on NMB...time to insert the Cattle Prod and crank to FULL HIGH on mgmnt! RELEASE US....RELEASE US.....RELEASE US.....:angryfire

Thats not gonna happen. They will transfer airplanes and you will stay put. Nothing you or ALPO can do about it.. It's time to wake up you dream is over. I guess you could say it's pay back for you flying Comairs struck work! Your wish is about to come true, I think Skywest inc is about to release you.

 

[frapper]

Thats not gonna happen. They will transfer airplanes and you will stay put. Nothing you or ALPO can do about it.. It's time to wake up you dream is over. I guess you could say it's pay back for you flying Comairs struck work! Your wish is about to come true, I think Skywest inc is about to release you.

Good God man -- what the h_ll is your problem?!? How can you possibly be so bitter towards an entire pilot group? We go to work and do what we're told just like you! Pilots don't decide what equipment/contracts they fly! If you had any knowledge of the industry you would realize that, and you would keep your childish comments to yourself!

So take your gear-jerkin' "lots" of experience with "enough" time and pipe down junior!!!

 

[BIGGOAT]

I have a question about the strike vote, how long is it good for? Since taken last year our pilot group has changed. I am about to upgrade and the last seniority list in January I moved 100 numbers and will move at least that much for July's new list. In addition, there are probably 100-150 new first officers who are eligible to vote that were not last year. The more that time passes the more our pilot group is comprised of different people who voted last year.

Goat

 

[Lolikoka]

Scope is an illusion at a regional

Forgive my ignorance, but I've asked this a number of times without getting a reply. What does scope for a regional feeder, who is also a subsidiary of a holding company looks like?

Good question.....

We don't control what planes we fly, where we fly them, when we fly them, and we don't have any control over when or where they get transferred. We don't have our own routes or passengers or marketing. In a week and half we won't even have gate agents or ground personnel (except for some outstations which will likely be outsourced eventually anyway). We are simply a crew-leasing company that can be replaced at any time.

Without OneList we have no job security. Scope at our end of the industry is an illusion since we and our incompetent management do not actually own or control ANY flying. The best we can get is OneList with SkyWest to guarantee that any and all SkyWest flying, by any SkyWest subsidiary and/or alter-ego, is done by pilots on the OneList.

 

[MELIT]

Good question.....

We don't control what planes we fly, where we fly them, when we fly them, and we don't have any control over when or where they get transferred. We don't have our own routes or passengers or marketing. In a week and half we won't even have gate agents or ground personnel (except for some outstations which will likely be outsourced eventually anyway). We are simply a crew-leasing company that can be replaced at any time.

Without OneList we have no job security. Scope at our end of the industry is an illusion since we and our incompetent management do not actually own or control ANY flying. The best we can get is OneList with SkyWest to guarantee that any and all SkyWest flying, by any SkyWest subsidiary and/or alter-ego, is done by pilots on the OneList.

It's kind of funny you want one list with a non-union company. You could careless about SkyWest, you're just trying to save your own arse.

 

[outtahere]

It's kind of funny you want one list with a non-union company. You could careless about SkyWest, you're just trying to save your own arse.

You are right I think most of us at ASA would take the last piece of bread out of a starving skywest pilots hand just as they are now trying to do to us. However like it or not the only real protection any of us have is the ability to tell Jerry to go fuk himself in a collective voice. Its nothing personal against the Skywest pilots, as I am sure if I met one on the street out of uniform we would get along fine, but one list will prevent dip******************** from playing his whipsaw game with our careers.

 

[scarlet]

ANOTHER great 2 days from our line working CNC--wonder if they will fly in July or August? Another great 2 days from our MGT. Team !!!

And all of you think ALPA is neg. for the ASA pilots=NO NEG. to try to prove to Skywest guys what a great contract they can get...They don't care about the pilots, they want more MONEY coming in a month !!!

SCREW Skywest....Settle our contract!!!

 

[ohplease!]

It's kind of funny you want one list with a non-union company. You could careless about SkyWest, you're just trying to save your own arse.

thats not true. We love you guys. You're our brothers and sisters....really