Another reporter "gets it"!!

[Stifler's Mom]

have u two previously dated or what?

I love it when these two get together. There's sure to be some fur flying when the claws come out.

 

[pilotyip]

No one ever told me I would be flying with the best pilots in the industry, but after a few trips, I knew I was seeing the best at work. Every once in a while one of our best pilot escapes to someplace lke SWA or FedEx. It is because they need some of the best pilots also.

 

[CaptainMark]

i nominate pilotyip as best pilot in the world!!!! with all those types and hours he has to be good...or real lucky! but those types are weak as to one of our md-11 pilots who goes by the name" bouncing bobbi "..he has over 100 types...he's crazy!

 

[Deuce130]

i nominate pilotyip as best pilot in the world!!!! with all those types and hours he has to be good...or real lucky! but those types are weak as to one of our md-11 pilots who goes by the name" bouncing bobbi "..he has over 100 types...he's crazy!

Either that or he just can't hold a job!

 

[pilotyip]

Me the best no way, I was near the bottom of my class in carrier landings and only in the middle in four plane formation. Howver I was first in Radio Inst stage, I really had those A/N ranges figured out, and Celestial Navigation. I was just an average Navy pilot, there are many many piltos I know who are much better pilots than me. That is why it is so easy for me to fly with the best.

 

[Gorilla]

Hey Gang...I just want to shed a little light on the Civ/Mil idealogues out there. I once had the opportunity to take a retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonol up in my Cessna 150. He gave me some pointer's on how to fly the 707 sim for my interview. I had EPR settings, speeds, deck angles, and flap settings memorized which, i am convinced, helped lead to a letter of conditional employment from the sim check airmen. I let him fly my 150 over his house and try to land it...returned his kindness and gave him few pointers on how to land a cessna 150 in a crosswind and he did pretty good. On the ground he commented on how flying a light civilian airplane into grass strips and uncontrolled/unimproved fields was a completely different ballgame from flying the KC 135 in the airforce and how he was quite surprised at the skill involved. My point is we both learned something from each other that day...the guy was 80 years old and almost deaf, but were it not for him, I wouldn't have had a clue when I climbed in AA's 707 sim and without me he probably would have pranged my 150 on the ground and been embarrased. My point is...this is the kind of attitude we need to approach our profession with...an attitude of teamwork and cooperation. By not being at odds with one another and by learning from one another, we can restore the dignity to this once great profession. I have since flown many 121 trips with captains from both military and civilian backgrounds. There is something I can learn from everybody out there and I don't have any need to defend my civilian training background because I know deep down we are all alike. Just guys and girls trying to make a living and retire someday.

Thanks for listening.

Gofish

Very well put, and worth a quote. Thank you.

 

[Regul8r]

What, you guys think that he was correct in telling the reporter that "almost all of the best pilots hired on at Delta?"

There weren't any other airlines hiring good pilots? Not one? In the 80s and 90s?

My comment had nothing to do with this guy's military background it came from the hubris of a 1,500 hour pilot (who doesn't know everything, even though he apparently thinks he does) explaining why he's so much better than everybody else.

Dude, 1,500hrs military time?!? I'd be willing to be he would have flown your a$$ under the table and beat the $h!t out of you down there right after he graduated flight training!!!Go back to your Microsoft Flight sim, TOOL BOX!

 

[radarlove]

Dude, 1,500hrs military time?!? I'd be willing to be he would have flown your a$$ under the table and beat the $h!t out of you down there right after he graduated flight training!!!Go back to your Microsoft Flight sim, TOOL BOX!

Uh huh. Ever seen a new-hire fighter pilot in the sim for the first time?

Kinda comical.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Uh huh. Ever seen a new-hire fighter pilot in the sim for the first time?

Kinda comical.

Yeah that is the truth. The fighter guys in my AA B-727 FE newhire class were totally clueless. One day when we were all in the sim I was in the left seat, a fighter guy was in the right seat and another fighter guy was on the panel. We were going throught the checklist and when the FE got to TCAS I repsonded "TA/RA"

They both looked at me like I had a lobster coming out of my ear.

One of them then stated, "What the hell does TA/RA mean?"

I was laughing so hard we had to take a break becuase I thought I was going to wet my pants.

 

[densoo]

Yet another one gets it.

By Ellen E. Schultz and Teho Francis

At a time when companies are scaling back health benefits of their retirees, former top executives at many corporations are receiving partial or full lifetime medical coverage on top of pensions valued at millions of dollars, a Wall Street Journal analysis of dozens of recent securities filings indicates.

The trend spans industries, and it is common at airlines, which have been among the most aggressive in scaling back retirement befits for the rank and file. Continental Airlines, for example, provides health care “at no cost” for retired Chairman Gordon Bethune and his dependents, the company’s proxy statement notes. That’s in addition to other perks, including a lifetime of free flights and decade of free office space, plus a lump-sum pension payout of $22 million. A Continental spokesman says other retired executives have to pay 20% of the cost of coverage but then declines further comment. Mr. Bethune, who retired on Dec. 31, 2004, didn’t return calls to his office seeking comment.

 

[Diesel-9]

Dangerkitty, guys like you give FLAP's a bad name, and in this case, the AMR Human Resources Dept.

 

[stonewall]

Yeah that is the truth. The fighter guys in my AA B-727 FE newhire class were totally clueless. One day when we were all in the sim I was in the left seat, a fighter guy was in the right seat and another fighter guy was on the panel. We were going throught the checklist and when the FE got to TCAS I repsonded "TA/RA"

They both looked at me like I had a lobster coming out of my ear.

One of them then stated, "What the hell does TA/RA mean?"

I was laughing so hard we had to take a break becuase I thought I was going to wet my pants.

I don't know anyone, fighter pilot or otherwise, who had trouble in FE training. Is it tough? "Totally clueless" is a broad statement...how was your training department? Did you put them in the sim without going over anything? Or were they clueless after 5 days of ground school? You want to start throwing out civ/mil aviation terms and see which one of us gets more of 'em right?

I bet it IS funny to watch new hire fighter pilots in the sim! I mean, in my interview group at FDX there were 5 guys. Three were fighter pilots and two were straight civilian. Only 3 guys in the group passed the sim on day one. I'm fortunate those 3 guys...the fighter pilots....got to be called "newhires." I guess the FDX sim instructor laughed a little that day, but it wasn't at us.

 

[stonewall]

And to all the civ bros I fly with at FDX: I've got nothing but good things to say! The coolest Capt I've flown with on the Boeing is a 37 yr old, all civ, LCA type who was sharp as hell and taught me a lot. We only had 3 civ guys in my newhire class, but they were all my age and all cool. And guess what? We all did the freakin' exact same in training. I just get irritated when idiots spout off about fighter pilots when they don't know sh**.

 

[PurpleChimp]

What would be even funnier is watching RJ boy on a BFM sortie. Not only would he wet himself, he'd sh**t himself, puke all over himself, and quickly be rendered unconcious..................but his SA would be top notch.

 

[stonewall]

What would be even funnier is watching RJ boy on a BFM sortie. Not only would he wet himself, he'd sh**t himself, puke all over himself, and quickly be rendered unconcious..................but his SA would be top notch.

Now THAT'S funny!

 

[radarlove]

And to all the civ bros I fly with at FDX: I've got nothing but good things to say! The coolest Capt I've flown with on the Boeing is a 37 yr old, all civ, LCA type who was sharp as hell and taught me a lot. We only had 3 civ guys in my newhire class, but they were all my age and all cool. And guess what? We all did the freakin' exact same in training. I just get irritated when idiots spout off about fighter pilots when they don't know sh**.

That's right Mav. You guys are the "best of the best".

But what happens when you "lose your edge"?

Spare us the chest-thumping. You sound worse that that 1,500 hour Delta numbnut.

 

[Deuce130]

But what happens when you "lose your edge"?

We quit the military and fly for the airlines.






Just kidding! Couldn't resist. Radarlove - you're a tool. And like I said after the second post on this thread (which was about the screw job that Delta pilots are getting right now) you're still probably hoping to get hired by DAL in a couple of weeks.

And as far as "TA/RA" goes, up until a year ago I wouldn't have known WTF that was either. My plane didn't get get that until recently and I was too busy to give a fu*k what it meant anyway. If I had more space I'd list the million and 1 acronyms the military uses and laugh at the dumb look on Dangerkitty's face. And even harder when he would then try to defend his ignorance.

 

[stonewall]

That's right Mav. You guys are the "best of the best".

But what happens when you "lose your edge"?

Spare us the chest-thumping. You sound worse that that 1,500 hour Delta numbnut.

I'm not sure what you mean with those quotes. I guess you've seen Top Gun more than me...not surprised.

Is this post supposed to be funny? Well, I guess anyone that would almost pee his pants over a TA/RA comment would think it's funny.

Someone already pointed out that the dude in the article didn't have 1,500 hrs...it was a minimum number thrown out. Anyway, radar, you're starting to expose yourself as a wannabe. By all means keep it up.

 

[Dangerkitty]

I don't know anyone, fighter pilot or otherwise, who had trouble in FE training. Is it tough? "Totally clueless" is a broad statement...how was your training department? Did you put them in the sim without going over anything? Or were they clueless after 5 days of ground school? You want to start throwing out civ/mil aviation terms and see which one of us gets more of 'em right?

I bet it IS funny to watch new hire fighter pilots in the sim! I mean, in my interview group at FDX there were 5 guys. Three were fighter pilots and two were straight civilian. Only 3 guys in the group passed the sim on day one. I'm fortunate those 3 guys...the fighter pilots....got to be called "newhires." I guess the FDX sim instructor laughed a little that day, but it wasn't at us.

Magnum, lighten up man.

Yes, all the Fighter guys made it through. However, one of the F-16 drivers busted his first ride but passed on the second.

They main thing that pissed me off about the fighter guys was that they were so cocky and full of themselves yet they didn't have a clue that they were so clueless.

What if I came to your fighter sqaudron and basically walked around the place acting like I owned it because I had been a Captain on a regional jet for a Part 121 carrier? Futhermore what if I acted like I knew more about fighters than you did and how the military operates because I flew as a Captain for a Part 121 carrier. You would probably think I was a stuck up a-hole? Right?

Well this is what I saw at American Airlines. The guys thought that since they flew fighters that they knew more about flying transport category jets than I did. After a few weeks in ground school and CPT's their attitude changed and they realized that they better listen to the lowly civilian pilot in the class because I actually knew what I was talking about. The one fighter guy who busted his ride actually apologized to me for his attitude and the rest of the guys behavior at the end of newhire training. Yes, they were that cocky and stuck up.

See where I am getting at? Just because you fly fighters doesn't make you God's gift to aviation especially on the flightdeck. Can fighter guys be trained? Yes, they can. Are the intelligent and competent yes they are (for the most part). But to come into newhire training acting like you already know it all is ridiculous and makes all fighter guys looks bad.

For what its worth the nicest guy in my class with the most humility was the Top Gun F-18 Driver. But you had to dig it out of him because he didn't like to talk about it all that much.

 

[Jolly Roger]

The whole mil vs. civ thing cracks me up, but I wish it would go away already. I was a bafoon in the sim initially after having trained the single seat way for so many years, but I admitted it then as I still do now on the occasion that my flying performance may be less than the perfection I seek.

As in all other aspects of life, if you feel the need to impress yourself and others with your skills or background then you are probably the average run of the mill tool. There are tools from every background, and some are the extreme variety.

I think my mil background comes in handy on the rare occasion that the person sitting next to me has shared a similar mil "upbringing"; it gives us some common ground to talk about, but only after all other avenues of conversation have been exhausted.

We all rely on very little of the experience we have gleaned over the years of flying in our daily routines, and in fact we forget much of it over the years. Anything else is usually easily solved with a bit of procedural knowledge sprinkled with some common sense and judgement. This is easily gleaned by most, in spite of whatever background they grew up in.

 

[dtfl]

What would be even funnier is watching RJ boy on a BFM sortie. Not only would he wet himself, he'd sh**t himself, puke all over himself, and quickly be rendered unconcious..................but his SA would be top notch.

And if his TCAS was in TA/RA he'd have bitchin Bob screaming "monitor vertical speed" all day. He'd get killed.

 

[Gorilla]

Haha, could you imagine a GPWS installed in a fighter?

"OK boys, today it'll be pop-patterns at Oscura, followed by BFM. We have the new GPWS installed... supposed to make us safer."

Flight launches.

"One's in..." "TERRAIN TERRAIN" "SINKRATE" "PULL UP! PULL UP!" "TOO LOW, TERRAIN TOO LOW, FLAPS, TOO LOW, GEAR" "PULL UP! PULL Uuuuuuupppppppp!" "AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH WE'RE GOING TO DIE!!"

Oh shut up you piece of crap! :laugh:

 

[stonewall]

Magnum, lighten up man.

Yes, all the Fighter guys made it through. However, one of the F-16 drivers busted his first ride but passed on the second.

They main thing that pissed me off about the fighter guys was that they were so cocky and full of themselves yet they didn't have a clue that they were so clueless.

What if I came to your fighter sqaudron and basically walked around the place acting like I owned it because I had been a Captain on a regional jet for a Part 121 carrier? Futhermore what if I acted like I knew more about fighters than you did and how the military operates because I flew as a Captain for a Part 121 carrier. You would probably think I was a stuck up a-hole? Right?

Well this is what I saw at American Airlines. The guys thought that since they flew fighters that they knew more about flying transport category jets than I did. After a few weeks in ground school and CPT's their attitude changed and they realized that they better listen to the lowly civilian pilot in the class because I actually knew what I was talking about. The one fighter guy who busted his ride actually apologized to me for his attitude and the rest of the guys behavior at the end of newhire training. Yes, they were that cocky and stuck up.

See where I am getting at? Just because you fly fighters doesn't make you God's gift to aviation especially on the flightdeck. Can fighter guys be trained? Yes, they can. Are the intelligent and competent yes they are (for the most part). But to come into newhire training acting like you already know it all is ridiculous and makes all fighter guys looks bad.

For what its worth the nicest guy in my class with the most humility was the Top Gun F-18 Driver. But you had to dig it out of him because he didn't like to talk about it all that much.

I just think that had to have been a long time ago. Despite all the chest thumping you see on this board and in the movies, nearly ALL the fighter IPs in all services today teach their young guys to be humble and open to instruction. The IPs strive to be the same..."humble, credible, approachable" is the Weapons School mantra. Any time a fighter guy starts an upgrade or takes on something new, like FE training, we're encouraged to STFU until you know what you're talking about. I don't doubt you've seen a couple or three jackas*es, but I just don't think it's the norm. That's all I'm gonna say about this subject.

 

[Dangerkitty]

I just think that had to have been a long time ago. Despite all the chest thumping you see on this board and in the movies, nearly ALL the fighter IPs in all services today teach their young guys to be humble and open to instruction. The IPs strive to be the same..."humble, credible, approachable" is the Weapons School mantra. Any time a fighter guy starts an upgrade or takes on something new, like FE training, we're encouraged to STFU until you know what you're talking about. I don't doubt you've seen a couple or three jackas*es, but I just don't think it's the norm. That's all I'm gonna say about this subject.

This was in 2000. I am not talking about everyone of the 54 of my newhire class. I am talking about the other 5 guys that were in my FE ground school and CPTS.