Another Netjets Thread (Sorry)

[greed]

Ok I am not trying to start an argument or anything, but I am just curious about the current status of Netjet hiring. I am wondering if they are actually getting qualified people to apply seeing that people that meet their requirements could pick other fractionals? Also, do they even really need people at Netjets or are they currently staffed. Are they still taking new planes?

Thanks for the info, and good luck guys hope you get that new contract.

Greed

 

[FAcFriend]

Dear Greed,

Why do you ask?

 

[Diesel]

Need 500 pilots this year. Hired 150 or so. 60 have left

 

[greed]

I asked because I am working on my Capstone Project at Embry Riddle (trying to fininsh my masters) and we were recently discussing labor unions and employee loyalty. Don't really know about any recent aviation stories except for Comair so I thought Netjets may be a good topic.

 

[x402]

We are now hiring < 2000 hrs. You'll have to judge whether time alone qualifies, but the hype says +2500. ooops, there goes the neighborhood.

 

[psysicx]

I know that everybody hates my questions but I have to try.When you guys get your new contract do you think that everybody is going to try and get on.Wouldn't it be better to get on now and hope a strike doesn't happen?

 

[El Chupacabra]

We are now hiring < 2000 hrs.

Whautchoo Talkin' bout Willis?

 

[buttercup]

I asked because I am working on my Capstone Project at Embry Riddle (trying to fininsh my masters) and we were recently discussing labor unions and employee loyalty. Don't really know about any recent aviation stories except for Comair so I thought Netjets may be a good topic.

I can fill you in briefly on that Comair pilot group back in 01' that went on strike....Quite possibly the most determined and unified group of pilots that you will ever see in this ho industry..

I can fill you in briefly on the current MEC at Netjets....Perhaps the most organized, proactive, concise, and focused Union leadership you will see in this industry.


Hypothetically combine the 01' Comair pilot group with the Current Strong Union slate and you have an indestructable, well-oiled machine that would assure this is indeed a profession going forward, not just a hobby!!

One can dream... STFD

 

[x402]

Whautchoo Talkin' bout Willis?

Last tour my partner had flown with a newbe with 2000 hrs. Said he was a great kid. I still believe you will see real fo/fo's (<1000hrs) soon.

 

[Hogprint]

I agree X402, have flown with several newhires in the last six months. All good folks, wide diverse backgrounds, but the one underlying fact is they all had low time.

Psysicx, I think that is the mentality with a lot of newhires. Get on now and hope for the best. What does a low timer have to lose? I can't tell you how many regional guys I've had come up to me and ask if we are still hiring or how the contract is coming.

It is getting harder to attract seasoned aviation professionals to this place. There is only one direction for the company to go.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Might just have to start delaying flights with adverse weather, conditions etc. for experience reasons. It's not smart to fly single pilot into some of the most challenging airports in the world with 2 pilot airplanes. NJA needs to hire experience to fly into tough places. Experience doesn't come cheap... and it's not easy to earn quickly.

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Hypothetically combine the 01' Comair pilot group with the Current Strong Union slate and you have an indestructable, well-oiled machine that would assure this is indeed a profession going forward, not just a hobby!!

One can dream... STFD

How true! But with the abeyance and the way the company is self destructing with the permanent schedulers and a new management of self described incompetents we don't even need a "Strong" union to STMFD...

Majik, how did you pick such a good avatar so long ago?

 

[CMHTroll]

Lord Asleepfield. “But with the abeyance and the way the company is self destructing with the permanent schedulers and a new management of self described incompetents we don't even need a "Strong" union to STMFD”



You are so lost let me explain it for you in simple terms. The negotiations were put in abeyance because the Union was not bargaining in good faith. If the company was the issue they would have released for self help. The company is not self-destructing and in fact continues to grow and get stronger every day in spite of you and your union antics. The management is working smarter, and doing something that you couldn’t even begin to fathom in its complexity and functionality. What you do need is a “Smart” union who can figure out how to provide positive benefits for it’s members without damaging the company so they need less pilots to work fewer hours for less pay.



The company has said that they will not put the company into bankruptcy just so the pilots can have the pay that they have been promised by the MEC. It isn’t going to happen. And the MEC doesn’t want to have negotiations conclude before they get elected into office, because no politician likes to face the music of not delivering on their campaign promises. And they know they cannot deliver on 6S and never believed that they could, but they want those Union MEC jobs.



Someday you will wake up and smell the recess that is if you ever get out of abeyance. Or you could gather some collective intelligence and vote in a MEC that can get you a workable contract. Or you can listen to your MEC tell you how they don’t understand what the NMB says and how the company is wrong for terminating the MEC Chairman’s good friend for maximum fatigue in a cockpit. When are you guys going to wake up and smell the reality? Until then we will watch you make fools of yourselves.



I guess I still can’t understand why if you hate it so much you are still at NetJets.

 

[Hogprint]

Lord Asleepfield. “But with the abeyance and the way the company is self destructing with the permanent schedulers and a new management of self described incompetents we don't even need a "Strong" union to STMFD”



You are so lost let me explain it for you in simple terms. The negotiations were put in abeyance because the Union was not bargaining in good faith. If the company was the issue they would have released for self help. The company is not self-destructing and in fact continues to grow and get stronger every day in spite of you and your union antics. The management is working smarter, and doing something that you couldn’t even begin to fathom in its complexity and functionality. What you do need is a “Smart” union who can figure out how to provide positive benefits for it’s members without damaging the company so they need less pilots to work fewer hours for less pay.



The company has said that they will not put the company into bankruptcy just so the pilots can have the pay that they have been promised by the MEC. It isn’t going to happen. And the MEC doesn’t want to have negotiations conclude before they get elected into office, because no politician likes to face the music of not delivering on their campaign promises. And they know they cannot deliver on 6S and never believed that they could, but they want those Union MEC jobs.



Someday you will wake up and smell the recess that is if you ever get out of abeyance. Or you could gather some collective intelligence and vote in a MEC that can get you a workable contract. Or you can listen to your MEC tell you how they don’t understand what the NMB says and how the company is wrong for terminating the MEC Chairman’s good friend for maximum fatigue in a cockpit. When are you guys going to wake up and smell the reality? Until then we will watch you make fools of yourselves.



I guess I still can’t understand why if you hate it so much you are still at NetJets.

Wow...another Johnny come lately spewing company propaganda. I had to reread it to be sure, but then I went and nabbed my handy dandy junk mail that came today and low and behold what did I find?

Moisture says, "more crew workdays mean fewer pilots hired and more pay"....you said "less" pay, but I think I get your drift. You guys need a new playbook. At least don't use the exact same terms your impotent master uses.

Get rid of the current MEC? Wow, that's a new one. This MECs hard work must be paying off up there in the Death Star if your asking us to throw them overboard already! Its only been six months! They have our complete support. Don't you worry.

The names change, but the message is the same with you trolls.

 

[Majik]

Lord Asleepfield. “But with the abeyance and the way the company is self destructing with the permanent schedulers and a new management of self described incompetents we don't even need a "Strong" union to STMFD”



You are so lost let me explain it for you in simple terms. The negotiations were put in abeyance because the Union was not bargaining in good faith. If the company was the issue they would have released for self help. The company is not self-destructing and in fact continues to grow and get stronger every day in spite of you and your union antics. The management is working smarter, and doing something that you couldn’t even begin to fathom in its complexity and functionality. What you do need is a “Smart” union who can figure out how to provide positive benefits for it’s members without damaging the company so they need less pilots to work fewer hours for less pay.



The company has said that they will not put the company into bankruptcy just so the pilots can have the pay that they have been promised by the MEC. It isn’t going to happen. And the MEC doesn’t want to have negotiations conclude before they get elected into office, because no politician likes to face the music of not delivering on their campaign promises. And they know they cannot deliver on 6S and never believed that they could, but they want those Union MEC jobs.



Someday you will wake up and smell the recess that is if you ever get out of abeyance. Or you could gather some collective intelligence and vote in a MEC that can get you a workable contract. Or you can listen to your MEC tell you how they don’t understand what the NMB says and how the company is wrong for terminating the MEC Chairman’s good friend for maximum fatigue in a cockpit. When are you guys going to wake up and smell the reality? Until then we will watch you make fools of yourselves.



I guess I still can’t understand why if you hate it so much you are still at NetJets.

Hey Chip, how's it going? Better for you to conduct a mindless rant here and try to get it out of your system than to punch another hole in the wall.

 

[Sun Tzu]

I don't think that is Chip or Molly. It sounds more like DV or PH and the same crap they put out during the elections. Just look back at the stuff they were saying behind SU's back. Bitter feelings will just tear a person up. Get over it guys!

 

[CMHTroll]

Sun Tzu is right. You need to get over it and look at the facts of your new MEC and what they are doing to you. They don't get it and won't get it. yes there are 7.3% of the pilots that support the MEC and what they are doing, but the rest are seeing their true colors. But if you like the status quo forever, then you have good leadership. If you like the company watching you closer because a few are creating situations that you think make a difference then go ahead. It can be a company of trust and goodwill but your Union leadership is ruining that. The more they promote actions the more rules will be put in place until the union wants to bargain in good faith.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Sounds good Troll. as soon as the company pays me the ave $130K yr that CE-750 Captains deserve.... Let the Trust and Goodwill times ROLL!

I guess I still can’t understand why if you hate it so much you are still at NetJets.



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I got news for you. This is OUR company. Not Mr Bill's. We will be here long after Mr Bill is gone the way of John Ferris.

Firing pilots who were fatigued.

We have been warned by the union not to help the company by flying fatigued. Well now maybe people will listen. Thankyou Mr Bill.

 

[Hogprint]

Sun Tzu is right. You need to get over it and look at the facts of your new MEC and what they are doing to you. They don't get it and won't get it. yes there are 7.3% of the pilots that support the MEC and what they are doing, but the rest are seeing their true colors. But if you like the status quo forever, then you have good leadership. If you like the company watching you closer because a few are creating situations that you think make a difference then go ahead. It can be a company of trust and goodwill but your Union leadership is ruining that. The more they promote actions the more rules will be put in place until the union wants to bargain in good faith.

OK Troll, I'll bite.

Why don't you give us the FACTS of what the MEC is doing? Lets hear it?

I will correct your math though...82% of our pilots supported this MEC and I'm willing to bet that number is even higher now. Where in the world are you getting 7.3%? In your dreams?

Please tell us what ACTIONS the union is supporting? Do you mean flying the contract that the company entered into? Or do you mean just holding this companys feet to the fire on the numerous contract violations they commit?
Over one thousand grievences to date this year. Nice job NJA.

The inept leadership at the top is the one to blame for bad faith bargaining. When RTS cleans house of Moisture and his minions, then progress will be made.

 

[acaTerry]

That 2000 hrs sounds fishy. I was the baby in my class with 4800, and 2 airlines worth of 121.

 

[x402]

That 2000 hrs sounds fishy. I was the baby in my class with 4800, and 2 airlines worth of 121.

I have no idea when that was or whether you were hired. There is nothing FISHY about it, the company has been trying to hire pilots by the truckload. The one pilot I mentioned had reigional experience and a bunch of turbine. As the pool shallows more lower time guys will get a chance, sorry if you didn't. x

 

[FLYLOW22]

Sun Tzu is right. You need to get over it and look at the facts of your new MEC and what they are doing to you. They don't get it and won't get it. yes there are 7.3% of the pilots that support the MEC and what they are doing, but the rest are seeing their true colors. But if you like the status quo forever, then you have good leadership. If you like the company watching you closer because a few are creating situations that you think make a difference then go ahead. It can be a company of trust and goodwill but your Union leadership is ruining that. The more they promote actions the more rules will be put in place until the union wants to bargain in good faith.

Back under your bridge Troll. You sound like BB. Actions speak louder than words... This management team has commited both word and deed against this pilot group.

 

[acaTerry]

I have no idea when that was or whether you were hired. There is nothing FISHY about it, the company has been trying to hire pilots by the truckload. The one pilot I mentioned had reigional experience and a bunch of turbine. As the pool shallows more lower time guys will get a chance, sorry if you didn't. x

I was hired recently. My ststs are based on the guys in my class, not interview group. I hope they keep it well over 2500 hrs....

 

[FAcFriend]

Get rid of the current MEC? Wow, that's a new one. This MECs hard work must be paying off up there in the Death Star if your asking us to throw them overboard already! Its only been six months! They have our complete support. Don't you worry.

Noone is asking you anything. The MEC will have to go through another election with the new 1108 IBT, before their three years is up.

If you are not familar with this part of the plan- speak to your union rep.

 

[FAcFriend]

his minions

Curiosity Hoggie,

Who are the minions?

 

[El Chupacabra]

Get rid of the current MEC? Wow, that's a new one. This MECs hard work must be paying off up there in the Death Star if your asking us to throw them overboard already! Its only been six months! They have our complete support. Don't you worry.

Noone is asking you anything. The MEC will have to go through another election with the new 1108 IBT, before their three years is up.

If you are not familar with this part of the plan- speak to your union rep.

And you think this MEC will receive less than the 90% vote they just got the last time? We already have one of their 5 opponents who ran against them on our team now. The one who got the MOST votes of the 5 of them.

 

[Sun Tzu]

CMHTroll you just didnt get it !!! You are clueless,and your answer to my post shows it. Every pilot here knows what I was talking about. I was not supporting your post in any way. You are totally clueless and should stop making baseless posts. Imposters and the uninformed will be exposed everytime on here.

"Our MEC" is here, working hard, and will stick it out until "WE" accomplish what we set out to do. Sorry if that bothers you! If they were ineffective then you would not be slamming them on this board. You sound like one of the fab 5, or one of thier buddies. Bitter feelings will tear you up. You need to drop the MEC bashing and get over it. The last guys failed, and the membership proved this with an 82% message. I'm sure "OUR MEC" would get that number plus even more if we had an election today. On second thought I think you should continue your mindless posts so that WE can expose fakes like you!

 

[FAcFriend]

And you think this MEC will receive less than the 90% vote they just got the last time? We already have one of their 5 opponents who ran against them on our team now. The one who got the MOST votes of the 5 of them.

El, I am sure your MEC will have your support.

That was not the point. Hoggy was saying that he thought someone was suggesting the pilots vote out the MEC. Noone is suggesting or telling the pilots that. (in my opinion) Troll was only saying that they MEC has to go through another election BEFORE their three years is up.

Actually this is news to me, do you know anything about the MEC having to go through another election to certify the 1108?

That is why I suggested he speak to his union rep. I am sure the union rep has the straight scoop.

 

[El Chupacabra]

We have an election for Local 1108 union officers. These are different than the MEC. We also have to vote on the bylaws.

Whoops I almost forgot. We also have to cast a vote on the Strike Ballot. So 3 things to vote on coming soon.

 

[FAcFriend]

el, thanks.

The MEC is different than the union officers? Are the MEC people running for union officers?

So the MEC is not running for election to anything?

And yes, you have to authorize the MEC to strike whenever they are released without providing you further information.
Isn't that what the strike ballot is?

I thought the strike ballot election was this week? I also thought it was supposed to be last month. (I am not being sarcastic here). It is just that I have heard so many times about the "strike ballot" and it never comes.

I am sure it will- but what is the hold up? Is the IBT? MEC?

This is acronym heaven!

Thanks-