Another king Air question

[avbug]

Do you not understand the difference between logging PIC and acting as PIC? There is no similiarity between the two.


I was referring specifically to logging pilot in command time. One is not required to hold a high altitude endorsement in order to log pilot in command time in an aircraft requiring a high altitude endorsement. One may not ACT as pilot in command in an aircraft requiring a high altitude endorsement, but one may certainly log Pilot in Command in that aircraft without the endorsement.

Do you understand the difference between logging time as pilot in command, and acting as pilot in command of an airplane?

 

[UGAflyer]

No I don't understand. I asked what exactly is the difference in logging and acting? My way of thinking is that in order to log than you would have to act. I understand that you have to be rated in the aircraft to log PIC, not neccesarily have the endorsement, like I thought previously. What I do not understand and after looking cannot find an explanation of is what you are talking about as the difference in LOGGING and ACTING as PIC and that there are no similarities. My question is what precisely is the difference?

 

[wingnutt]

c'mon man...two pilots in a single pilot aircraft. lets use a King Air 200 as an example since thats what started this whole thing. the guy in the left seat has his name listed as PIC on the dispatch release, therfore he is the acting PIC. he lets the right seater fly an empty leg, which allows this person to log PIC.

the difference is, if something goes wrong, who do you think is going to get called on the carpet...

 

[F16fixer]

The only way I can put this to understanding, is he's talking about someone giving dual instruction. You sign a private pilot off to solo and then give him dual and he logs PIC dual received. Before that, he cannot. You work on your complex endorsement in a seminole and you log dual received no PIC. You get the endorsement then you log PIC period. If two people are flying an airplane from grandmas to uncle joes and they both log PIC that is illegal, unless one is giving instruction or acting as safety pilot. Someone clue me in on what I am missing because what the guy is saying is over my head too. I eat my humble pie everyday, so it doesn't bother me for someone to correct my thinking.
Thanks

No I don't understand. I asked what exactly is the difference in logging and acting? My way of thinking is that in order to log than you would have to act. I understand that you have to be rated in the aircraft to log PIC, not neccesarily have the endorsement, like I thought previously. What I do not understand and after looking cannot find an explanation of is what you are talking about as the difference in LOGGING and ACTING as PIC and that there are no similarities. My question is what precisely is the difference?

 

[F16fixer]

where in the regs does it say you can log PIC in a high altitude/highperformance aircraft without having an endorsement. You cant even fly the dang thing legally without endorsements, so how do log time?

 

[wingnutt]

where in the regs does it say you can log PIC in a high altitude/highperformance aircraft without having an endorsement. You cant even fly the dang thing legally without endorsements, so how do log time?

ah...that would be avbug saying you can, not me. i was just trying to help on the logging-acting issue

 

[User546]

Here's a question I haven't seen answered yet.

F16 - Do you have a high altitude endoresement? If you don't all this is a mute point.

The regs say VERY CLEARY, that without a High Altitude Endorsement, you can not act as PIC in an aircrat with a certificated service ceiling of 27,000 feet or higher.

 

[wingnutt]

...you can not act as PIC in an aircrat with a certificated service ceiling of 27,000 feet or higher.

ok, look up...that was the question...act vs. log

 

[User546]

Gothca.

Man feels like being in court, breaking down EVERY single word. Act vs Log. Good grief.

The guy has a fairly simple, straight-forward answer, and we turn it into this full blown mess!

 

[wingnutt]

lol...isnt that a pre-requisite to post on flight info

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[F16fixer]

user997

It's people like you that make this website not helpful. If you would have read the WHOLE post you would see that my ? had nothing to do with high altitude endorsements. And just what FAR are you reading that says 27,000 ft? 61.31G CLEARLY STATES 25,000 FT AND ABOVE. IDIOT. THANKS for putting your 2 cents in where it wasn't needed

 

[wingnutt]

***wingnutt...tiptoes out of the thread quietly***

 

[U-I pilot]

Guys...its not that hard. It can be in the King Air example or a simpler one....how about this:

You are rated for single engine land airplanes, no complex or HP endorsement. You go fly with an instructor who has the endorsements in a complex or HP airplane. You can be sole manipulator of the controls and LOG PIC as sole manipulator of an airplane for which you are rated (single engine land). You are not ACTING as PIC because you dont have the endorsement. The instructor is ACTING because he is legal to fly it.
If you are the only one in the airplane, LOGGING and ACTING are the same, but add another pilot and things change.
Similarly, for the King Air, the Left seater is ACTING as PIC because he is rated and has all the sign offs necessary to fly it. By sitting in the seat next to him and being sole manipulator you can LOG PIC if you are Multi-engine land rated.
As long as you are rated, category and class....you can log as sole manipulator.

Hope this helps. Anyone who sees errors in what I have said...please correct me.

 

[F16fixer]

I have a question then. How come I see a lot of instructors not allowing their students to log PIC in an arrow for example until they sign them off with a complex? Are they all wrong. (the few that I know)

 

[F16fixer]

What does have privilages mean? 61.51G