Another Beating for Eagle

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Its also noteworthy that durring the TWA acustion APA and Managment agreed TWA pilots had no right to Letter 3.[/QUOTE]

This is a correct statement. APA pushed legislation w/ the AMR and FAA to get "one carrier status." This allowed for the stapling of the majority of TWA pilots, dumping the union (bye bye ALPA) and allow the furloughs to begin in seniority order. Had a "single carrier" certificate not be achieved, AA would have to continue furloughing from both AA and TWA LLC seperately......many more on the AA side. In fact, after "one carrier status" AA was able to recall several 100 AA pilots that were now senior to the TWA staple point. These folks were then furloughed again at a latter date and have had flowback bids. Nevertheless, TWA pilots had no rights to Letter 3. However, there weren't anymore TWA pilots after "single carrier," just APA AA pilots on one list.

 

[igneousy2]

Igneosy,

What TWA flowbacks are you talking about? TWA and AA were conjoined into "single carrier status" well before the apr/may/jun 03 furloughs. In other words, it's all one AA/APA seniority list. If the x-twa folks weren't there (acquisition never happened) original AA pilots would still continue to flowback and take capt. seats. The only reason there aren't more native AA flowing back is because they're moving into twa md80's as the f100 retires. This is because 2/3s of the twa pilots were stapled to the bottom. Which brings an interesting question. If AA flew 87 seat mainline a/c, why do regional pilots feel they're entitled to 70-100 seat airplanes?

I am talking about all of the TWA furloughs. The whole idea of the flow-through was that Eagle pilots would get seats in every new hire class as American hired. In exchange, Eagle would give qualified crewmembers furlough protection, putting them in our most senior seats, in case of furlough. Crap deal in hind sight but that is what was agreed.

When American was intergrating TWA into one list, TWA piots were allowed to bid over to AA as vacancies became available. These classes of TWA pilots did not have any Eagle pilots in them, it was ruled that these were not new hire classes and therefore did not give Eagle pilots any rights to flow through. Since there was no right to flow through, their would be no right to flow back by TWA pilots.

To an outsider it may seem like a moot point, however, there are probably 100 or more Eagle pilots who have seniority numbers at AA senior to 90% of the TWA pilots. While AA was hiring, Eagle pilots were given seniority numbers at AA soon after they completed RJ CA IOE. They were then given a 24 month seat lock, serving as Eagle RJ captains while they accrued AA seniority. At the end of the two years they would be placed in the next available class at AA effectively starting the job with 2 years of seniority. During this TWA transition period none of these pilots that were entitled to go over to AA were allowed to go over even though they were ALL senior to the TWA pilots making the transition. TWA pilots going first violates basic seniority rules which are standard practice in the industry.

The other big fight will be when AA starts recalling.

But that's another matter altogether. The only thing eagle pilots have going for them right now is that AMR management for once is on their side albiet accidentally

Later

 

[Starlizard]

Sup W is a loser for everyone involved except the lawyers.