Another ASA F/O bites the dust

[ohplease!]

Do you have a contract? Are you getting paid according to the contract and collecting perdiem? Is your seniority protected by the contract? Do you have a means by which you can grieve your contractual disputes?

It must be a better deal than you were getting in your management job at Coke or, if you were as smart as you think you are, you would still be there. I am quite sure they were glad to see you leave. Your whining about the Union and constant attacks are quite tiring.

If you are not happy with the system, be a quitter like your merchant friend. After all, with all your complaining, your decision to remain here brings into question your good judgment or lack thereof. It's all about you, and your life as a malcontent.

waitn' on a class date pinhead....

 

[MELIT]

Man...when do you leave again? Waaaahhhh.....Waaaaaahhhh! Idiot! If I didn't know any better, I would say that you and Joe are lovers....he starts a sentence and you finish it!uke:

Guess what? Yup, ALPA sucks!

 

[FixNFly]

"ASA provides headsets to pilots???"

The A/C (CRJ's) are supposed to carry 3 David Clark headsets, if one is missing you're actually supposed to call maintenance & they'll bring out any missing ones.
This actually answers my question as to who keeps taking them out of the A/C! I always wondered where the missing ones went

 

[Blucher]

"ASA provides headsets to pilots???"

The A/C (CRJ's) are supposed to carry 3 David Clark headsets, if one is missing you're actually supposed to call maintenance & they'll bring out any missing ones.
This actually answers my question as to who keeps taking them out of the A/C! I always wondered where the missing ones went

Whereas the non-A/C (ATR's) are supposed to carry 3 sets of tin cans (usually pinto beans, but occasionally chick peas) with strings attached.

-Blucher:laugh:

 

[flatspin7]

I think is pretty difficult for ALPA to defend someone who had been tagged stealing company property and then selling said property in a very public setting.

If ASA is pissed off enough hes probably going to be lucky not to go to jail.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

......

 

[Tarzan]

"ASA provides headsets to pilots???"

The A/C (CRJ's) are supposed to carry 3 David Clark headsets, if one is missing you're actually supposed to call maintenance & they'll bring out any missing ones.
This actually answers my question as to who keeps taking them out of the A/C! I always wondered where the missing ones went

CR7 FO? I've come across multiple planes missing them. I'd always wondered as well why there was one missing. If ALPA gets this guys his job back, I'll be sure to deluge Pratter's office with letter's asking why ALPA would defend a thief.

 

[Axel]

I always make sure there are three when I am doing the acceptance check. If there are not three I'm on the phone to MX right then and there. That way I don't get accused of stealing.

 

[Skaff]

"ASA provides headsets to pilots???"

The A/C (CRJ's) are supposed to carry 3 David Clark headsets, if one is missing you're actually supposed to call maintenance & they'll bring out any missing ones.
This actually answers my question as to who keeps taking them out of the A/C! I always wondered where the missing ones went

Do you guys use the headsets or do you use your own?

 

[scarlet]

Speedtape why are you still here?

And yes Expressjet is hiring, Pinnacle is hiring, Eagel still hiring...

 

[ohplease!]

If ALPA gets this guys his job back, I'll be sure to deluge Pratter's office with letter's asking why ALPA would defend a thief.

The same reason they defend the drunks, the delinquents and the piss poor pilots that can't fly....so when YOU ask "what am I getting for my 2%" they can say "look what we did for these folks"

 

[~~~^~~~]

The same reason they defend the drunks, the delinquents and the piss poor pilots that can't fly....so when YOU ask "what am I getting for my 2%" they can say "look what we did for these folks"

It sounds like ALPA is getting tagged with the misperception that they "defend" intentional malfeasance. In the very few cases that I have heard about (ALPA keeps good secrets, as they should, but sometimes the pilots talk) ALPA has negotiated "graceful exits" so the pilot can at least gain other employment elsewhere. Fired is fired, but "quit" allows a person to go get a job (likely a non flying job) where a PRIA report will not find them.

ALPA is concerned about safety too. ALPA works with the FAA to enance safety. I think the Runway Incursion Information & Awareness program was an excellent example of the way things are supposed to work to make our flying a safer operation for our passengers, we pilots and our employers.

...and then there are the cases where airlines just make up a load of crap to tag a pilot with an incident. Lets discuss that because it happens in this business at every airline.

There are two Certificates that allow your aircraft to fly. Yours and your Company's. If an incident gets investigated by the FAA the Company will never admit it was their fault and take the penalty on the Company's Certificate. The Company will find a way to pin it on the pilot - and most of the time the pilot was the person who had final authority over the operation.

It is no mistake that the responsibilities of the VP of Flight Operations is about one short paragraph long, while the responsibilities of the Pilot in Command go on for 40, or more, pages.

ALPA can provide some useful help because they have good prior experience dealing with these messes, while most pilots have never been in trouble before and will never get in trouble again. When (or if) you get in trouble, it is a benefit to be able to talk to someone who has experience with how the whole thing works.

 

[sweptback]

It sounds like ALPA is getting tagged with the misperception that they "defend" intentional malfeasance. In the very few cases that I have heard about (ALPA keeps good secrets, as they should, but sometimes the pilots talk) ALPA has negotiated "graceful exits" so the pilot can at least gain other employment elsewhere. Fired is fired, but "quit" allows a person to go get a job (likely a non flying job) where a PRIA report will not find them.

Also, the majority of cases that involve ALPA are because the company does not follow their own procedures (and that of the contract) when they discipline or terminate somebody.

It may or may not change the outcome, but everybody is owed at least a fair shake at things. Especially given that the rumor of what happened and what really happened are two different things.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Also, the majority of cases that involve ALPA are because the company does not follow their own procedures (and that of the contract) when they discipline or terminate somebody.

It may or may not change the outcome, but everybody is owed at least a fair shake at things. Especially given that the rumor of what happened and what really happened are two different things.

Very true. Excellent post.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I always make sure there are three when I am doing the acceptance check. If there are not three I'm on the phone to MX right then and there. That way I don't get accused of stealing.

I have noticed one missing on several occasions and thought the exact same thing, but didn't call. I will start calling MX from now on. I sure don't want to get tagged for that!!

That's why I was wondering how they caught him. My name is probably on at least 3-4 aircraft logs that were missing headsets this month alone.

My question is why hasn't MX been Branding "property of ASA" on every headset?