Anderson sets the table for job cuts at Delta

[ACL65PILOT]

Oh Frankie. I love ya man!

Like I said there are no plans yet. As I have stated, the Sept numbers will tell the tail. I am shocked there have not been any to date.

 

[blzr]

They (management) like to go out and get cheap contract carriers to take YOUR flying. They make more money and the MAJOR airline pilots are getting furloughed.. Solution. Maybe look into CONTRACT MANAGEMENT. Pay them descent wages, maybe, maybe....senior F/O pay and bonuses only if they run a productive airline.

Who knows, the MBA boys and girls in management now couldn't run a 7/11 properly. I bet some young buisness majors with some good ideas and enthusiasm could do a much better job and save a company lost of money in bonuses.. Just a thought.

 

[PuffDriver]

How is that Puff. I figured we would right size before that was announced later this year.

Still fits the bill. Start the agonizing now. A year's worth of bitching/moaning/planned layoffs in order to clear public sentiment that the Alaska deal is needed. I am referring to the original post.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

That's the system we have now....I guess we'll just keep on.......:uzi: Reload!

Really? Many ASA/Comair newhires/upgrades happened during big time growth post 911 while 1000+ mainline Delta were furloughed. Guess that "turn your back" is all relative huh? "F" those guys as long as I get my PIC?

Kind of funny now. There are a few vocal SWA F/O's who are bitching about codeshare/scope who would not have their jobs now at Southwest were it not for Delta/UAL and others giving in on scope in their contracts in lieu of pay rates.

"I got mine" will never be replaced.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Here is one for ya.

I have been getting a few indications that RJDC is seeing LOA 2006-10 as an infraction on its agreement with ALPA. RJDC's beef is that this LOA pertained to only its original signatory's. (NWA-DAL-CPA and Mesaba) Fact is that due to the fact that this LOA now applies to all DCI carrier is very important to all Delta pilots. As we are shrinking we need to realize that this now affords our pilots the ability through our CBA to have rights at other carriers. It was not unintentional.
What we need to do is make sure that our MEC and CNC do not sign a MOA with the RJDC and company that it only includes these carriers. If they do that it is only a further erosion of our CBA rites. I urge all of you to contract our representation and tell them what the importance of this NWA LOA 2006-10 is to all of us.

So is RJDC having an effect?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Really? Many ASA/Comair newhires/upgrades happened during big time growth post 911 while 1000+ mainline Delta were furloughed. Guess that "turn your back" is all relative huh? "F" those guys as long as I get my PIC?

Kind of funny now. There are a few vocal SWA F/O's who are bitching about codeshare/scope who would not have their jobs now at Southwest were it not for Delta/UAL and others giving in on scope in their contracts in lieu of pay rates.

"I got mine" will never be replaced.

Maybe DALPA should have agreed to a single list back in 2000 when it was proposed by the ASA and CMR pilots....A little late to put the genie back in the bottle now....

 

[anewunion]

DAL just bought 3 MD-90's with more to come.

How does that fit into the furlough plans ???

 

[PuffDriver]

So is RJDC having an effect?

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

 

[PuffDriver]

Maybe DALPA should have agreed to a single list back in 2000 when it was proposed by the ASA and CMR pilots....A little late to put the genie back in the bottle now....

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Maybe they would have if not for a few "lifers" that felt they had nothing to lose by going for the gold. If they would have realized thier place (a staple with seat protection, for example) this would have happened.

Maybe DALPA should have agreed to a single list back in 2000 when it was proposed by the ASA and CMR pilots....A little late to put the genie back in the bottle now....

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Where did you see this?? If so, good for us.

DAL just bought 3 MD-90's with more to come.

How does that fit into the furlough plans ???

 

[JumpersAway]

Maybe they would have if not for a few "lifers" that felt they had nothing to lose by going for the gold. If they would have realized thier place (a staple with seat protection, for example) this would have happened.

So we as a collective group allowed 30-40 pilots to completely shift the airline industry down an unrecoverable path? This is a poor excuse- Delta wielded a much heavier ax than the senior regional lifers. If Delta wanted them stapled, they would have been stapled. We, as an industry, have been paying for this error for far too long, but until ALPA addresses this, contractual gains at any level are a moot point, as the whipsaw will continue and gains mitigated.

 

[PuffDriver]

So we as a collective group allowed 30-40 pilots to completely shift the airline industry down an unrecoverable path? This is a poor excuse- Delta wielded a much heavier ax than the senior regional lifers. If Delta wanted them stapled, they would have been stapled. We, as an industry, have been paying for this error for far too long, but until ALPA addresses this, contractual gains at any level are a moot point, as the whipsaw will continue and gains mitigated.

You are incorrect on your understanding of how ALPA merger policy works. "Pull" has nothing to do with it once a PID is set.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Anew union. It will be 1 for 1 with 88's.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Parking 88s and adding 90s?? Why not park the 9s? According to GL the 88s are either paid for or have lease rates so low they pay for themselves. Plus, they have autothrottles.

Anew union. It will be 1 for 1 with 88's.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

So is RJDC having an effect?

Sure is. Every time I feel constipated, I just pull up one of the infamous, "industry updates.":laugh:
Other than that, the usual "scab type" mentality from the girls at the rjdc that couldn't get hired anywhere else!:crying: :crying:

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Difficult to go anywhere else when you keep voting to outsource more mainline jobs. Tell me again why mainline pilots didn't want to fly 50 seat jets?

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Or 70 seats, or 76 seats. You keep saying your going to "Take it back!" Well? What is this latest crap about 255 70/76 seaters?

 

[Jon Rivoli]

If you want to know who is responsible, look in the mirror 'cause it sure ain't me and Joe Merchant.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That was the point. We can complain about the failure of the MEC, but we hold a lot of the blame for voting for these scope changes time and gain.