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Fleet Simplifications Target $50 Million Savings

American Airlines will further simplify its fleet by returning 19 non-standard 757-200s, previously part of the TWA fleet, to their lessors between January 2007 and March 2008. Returning the former TWA 757s at the end of the natural lease terms is a smart business decision that will save money, simplify operations, and improve efficiency as American continues to forge a different path to return to and sustain profitability.

This decision simplifies American's 757 fleet by eliminating a second cabin configuration lacking important customer amenities such as new seats, oversized overhead bins, in-flight entertainment, and powerports.

The decision to return these aircraft also reduces AA's lease costs by approximately $50 million per year and removes an aircraft with less competitive cabin amenities, therefore avoiding costly interior upgrades required to match remaining 757s. Schedule plans for 2007 are still being developed.

Despite a slight industry improvement recently, there are still underperforming parts of the network and American will continue to seek opportunities to further improve performance by reducing poor performing flying. To achieve sustained profitability, reinvest in and grow the airline, American must operate its assets - airplanes, people and facilities - with greater productivity.

How much money will the company save?

The decision to return the 19 leased aircraft is expected to save $50 million in lease costs per year and will avoid adding additional debt to the balance sheet.

There are additional benefits to be gained from simplifying the fleet and reducing operating complexity. This decision is another example of American's continuous efforts to return to sustained profitability, which will benefit employees, customers and investors.

Why does this make good business sense?

In addition to saving $50 million a year and reducing debt levels, returning these aircraft at the end of the lease terms provides a unique opportunity to continue fleet and operational simplification. The former TWA 757s have several differences compared to the other 124 757s in American's fleet, which create significant complexity and drive additional operating costs.
Different seating configuration which is disruptive with aircraft substitutions
Eight exit doors versus six exit doors requiring additional qualification training
Non-AA galleys, which have different parts and components (galley carts, oven racks, etc.) and drive unique catering provisioning
Smaller overhead bins which provide less storage space, often leading to gate-check of customer bags
Lack of in-seat power-ports which is not attractive to customers
The uniqueness of these aircraft results in additional maintenance complexity
These aircraft have Pratt & Whitney engines, versus Rolls Royce engines on the remaining 124 757s in our fleet. Pratt & Whitney engine maintenance is outsourced driving additional M&E and purchasing effort. These aircraft also require additional spare engines as compared to the rest of the 757 fleet.
The uniqueness of these aircraft ultimately requires a unique inventory of parts which are more difficult to source.

Will jobs be affected by this decision?

Because most of these airplanes will not be returned until later in 2007 and the 2007 operating plan is in development, it is not clear how this will affect employees.

What is the schedule for returning the aircraft?

Leases expire in 2007 and 2008. The first aircraft will be returned in January 2007 and the last in March 2008. Some maintenance work will be performed on the on the aircraft prior to the lease return.

How does this decision affect future capacity plans?

The process of building the 2007 capacity plan is just beginning. Routes flown in 2007 will depend on factors such as route profitability, state of the industry and the economy, and the ability to increase utilization as a result of simplification and other efficiency efforts. If the environment improves, American has 27 MD80s in temporary storage.

We've experienced more than 16 consecutive months of record load factors. Shouldn't we be adding flights rather than grounding or returning airplanes?

Increased load factor is good news. However, load factors alone do not tell the story. During those same 16 months, American has lost money. In 2005, our net loss for the year was $681 million, added to a first quarter 2006 loss of $92 million, for a total of $773 million - all during a time of record load factors.

By using assets more productively, AA is able to manage capacity and fly its desired schedule with fewer airplanes. Additionally, balancing capacity has allowed American to increase its unit revenue and is an important factor in improving financial results.

American recently announced the temporary storage of 27 MD80s and now is returning 19 757s. Are there more aircraft decisions on the way?

American constantly evaluates aircraft needs, which in part are dependent upon industry conditions. American added two 777 aircraft to our fleet in 2006, one delivered as recently as May.

To reinvest in and ultimately grow the airline, it is necessary to achieve sustained profitability. The Performance Leadership Initiative is our roadmap to achieving success under the Turnaround Plan. It is important that everyone is vigilant in seeking ways to reduce costs, improve productivity, and close gaps.

Why communicate this now?

The lessor has secured a customer and will likely announce this soon. It was important to share this information with employees first.


GREAT Idea, AA! Instead of recalling pilots, let's deal with crew shortages by parking more and more aircraft as more and more pilots retire. What a joke.

73
 
This is old news. The fact that AA had to put out a press release 10 pages long tells me that they need good news.

Maybe not all the upper management has dumped their stock yet... TC
 
Isn't this an internal communication? It's a good example of one -- lays it out so that anyone can understand it.

Certainly makes sense to ditch the ex-TW aircraft, which are completely incompatible with the original AA 75s. Employees, of course, would have preferred it if the 19 ex-TW aircraft were backfilled by something else, but AA's in no shape to be taking on additional obligations.

AA717driver said:
This is old news. The fact that AA had to put out a press release 10 pages long tells me that they need good news.

Maybe not all the upper management has dumped their stock yet... TC
 
Now they just need to get rid of those not-so-super "Super" -80s. Talk about an "non-competative" configuration. Everyone else flying aircraft that size at least puts some "tunes" in the seat (and maybe a movie) if they're going to fly them on 3-4 hour flights. Might as well be on an RJ.
 
Fox-Tree said:
Now they just need to get rid of those not-so-super "Super" -80s. Talk about an "non-competative" configuration. Everyone else flying aircraft that size at least puts some "tunes" in the seat (and maybe a movie) if they're going to fly them on 3-4 hour flights. Might as well be on an RJ.
Yep, let's just swap those 300+ aircraft now. Presto-change-o, we now have inflight entertainment!

AA is like anyone else: Crandall took McDonnell-Douglas to the cleaners on the Super-80 deal in the 80s and as long as the airplanes make money AA will keep flying them. There has been talk for years of re-engine-ing the things but nothing concrete so far.

I was talking with some fellow AA furloughees the other day and I said I thought recalls could start next spring at the earliest. But if they continue to park aircraft they can tweak the schedule with displacements and delay the recall by another 12 months. It seems like AA has decided to throw Crandall's wisdom to the wind and is determined to shrink the airline to profitability. Of course management's stubborness must also be taken into account.

After the whole "we won't reward pilots for bad behavior"/increased sick usage debacle, I'm not surprised that AA mgmt will do anything to avoid a recall. Especially since APA pres Hunter is braying to anyone who will listen that the "new relationship" between mgmt and labor is over. If they park all those 757s I wouldn't expect a recall until late 07 or maybe early 08.

They'll have to cancel a lot of flying to do it, but that seems to be the new AA plan:

1. Cancel flying when load factors are the highest ever.
2. ????????????
3. Profit!!!!!!!
 
As you look at the entire industry-- just about every airline is expanding while AA is shrinking; don't know their plan but they are certainly beating to their own drum...
time will tell.
 
pilot141 said:
I was talking with some fellow AA furloughees the other day and I said I thought recalls could start next spring at the earliest. quote]

Nah. With any luck, some more SNB's will get furloughed. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
 
Question for the AA guys: are those 19 planes all of the TW 757's that are left? I seem to recall that something like 40 came over, have the rest already been disposed of?

Along a similar line, have the TW maddogs been standardized, or are there still two or three cabin configs running around on those as well? thanks..

..CT
 
And typical of the APA....I just got the ORD base blast from the national meeting.

Lots of BS about motions tried and failed, and finally.....oh,yeah...BTW, AA mgmt briefed us on this fleet reduction plan.

It was made public today and.... we have absolutely nothing to say about it. We were briefed by the Gods, and we will sit here like the useless lumps that we are and be grateful that they aren't asking us for pay cuts while they shrink our fleet. Nothing to see here, carry on....

And for ironspud: I said that before I learned about the additional planes being parked! With the new plan they might be able to furlough 100 more guys....
 
I foresee that Air France will be buying AA sometime during the next 6 years.

Camembert
 
Do they sell SPAM in France?

Because I thought for sure that your post would smell like an old gym sock (ie like your name), but instead it smells like a cheap meat-like food product sold in the US.

SPAM, anyone?
 
DallasGatr said:
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As long as you bring those HOT Air France F/A's with you!
Careful; a lot of those HOT Air Pierre FA's share their privates with crustaceans.
Crabby patty anyone?
 
vc10 said:
Isn't this an internal communication? It's a good example of one -- lays it out so that anyone can understand it.

Certainly makes sense to ditch the ex-TW aircraft, which are completely incompatible with the original AA 75s. Employees, of course, would have preferred it if the 19 ex-TW aircraft were backfilled by something else, but AA's in no shape to be taking on additional obligations.

AA ended the quarter with 4.8B in cash and temporarily parked 27 MD-82's that are still under lease. They are certainly in "shape" to take on the obligation of covering that 757 flying with MD-80s that they are already paying for.
 
Chicken Taco said:
Question for the AA guys: are those 19 planes all of the TW 757's that are left? I seem to recall that something like 40 came over, have the rest already been disposed of?

Along a similar line, have the TW maddogs been standardized, or are there still two or three cabin configs running around on those as well? thanks..

..CT

The 19 757s are not all of the TWA 757s.... these are just leases that are running out.

All of the TWA MDs have been standardized, but even so, they still have a few differences in galleys and seating.

Re: furloughs... I don't foresee furloughs out of parking the 757s since it will be happening next year, and we will lose another 300-500 pilots by then. As I said earlier, AA's latest strategy is to park aircraft as the seniority list gets smaller.

73
 
aa73 said:
The 19 757s are not all of the TWA 757s.... these are just leases that are running out.

All of the TWA MDs have been standardized, but even so, they still have a few differences in galleys and seating.

Re: furloughs... I don't foresee furloughs out of parking the 757s since it will be happening next year, and we will lose another 300-500 pilots by then. As I said earlier, AA's latest strategy is to park aircraft as the seniority list gets smaller.

73

Hola 73,

This certainly puts a spin onto our thinking. We will shed another 200 guys from July-Dec, plus the 400+ we lost in the past year, plus the 300-400 next year. They will still be short pilots. We will have over 5.5 Billion in cash by mid summer, and roughly 6 Billion by years end. Something is up, they are just not talking about it.

Wish us lowly hourly rate workers could be shown the "vision".

AA
 
AAflyer said:
Hola 73,

This certainly puts a spin onto our thinking. We will shed another 200 guys from July-Dec, plus the 400+ we lost in the past year, plus the 300-400 next year. They will still be short pilots. We will have over 5.5 Billion in cash by mid summer, and roughly 6 Billion by years end. Something is up, they are just not talking about it.

Wish us lowly hourly rate workers could be shown the "vision".

AA

You got that right, compadre. Maybe another management bonus?

Seriously though, probably an a/c order in the works... but no new aircraft unless we give in during negotiations, sound familiar?

"Misma mierda, diferente dia!"

73
 
I read an article the other day regarding AA negotiating with both Airbus and Boeing about a replacement aircraft for the Mad-Dog. Unfortunately, the Airline Pilot Central website has changed radically and I can't find it again.

Maybe we will finally merge with British Airways.

I sure hope parking planes is not the whole strategy. Surely these guys have some sort of a strategic plan. Other than, of course, giving themselves more bonuses.
 
pilot141 said:
We were briefed by the Gods, and we will sit here like the useless lumps that we are and be grateful that they aren't asking us for pay cuts while they shrink our fleet.
Look at the bright side, at least they are making the fleet more simple.
 
Don't know what all the crying is about. AA has got new birds in the works..........

Airbus delay could give Qatar order to Boeing


Bloomberg News
Published June 6, 2006

PARIS -- Qatar Airways, which had committed to buy 60 A350s from Airbus, could choose Boeing Co.'s planes instead for long-haul routes because the European planemaker hasn't spelled out what kind of plane it will bring to market.

Also Monday, American Airlines said it might buy new planes for the first time since 2001 and is in talks with Airbus and Boeing about single-aisle aircraft to replace an aging fleet of 310 MD-80s.

"If things don't happen in the time frame we want to happen, then of course we'll look somewhere else," Qatar Chief Executive Akbar al Baker said at the International Air Transport Association meeting in France.

Chicago-based Boeing's new 787, also a long-range aircraft that will carry between 250 and 300 passengers, is set for entry into service in 2008. Airbus originally had said the A350, which was brought out to challenge the 787, would be ready for service in 2012. The new A350 now won't go into service until 2012 at the earliest.

Airbus spokeswoman Barbara Kracht declined to comment on the Qatar CEO's remarks.

Qatar Airways is the state-owned airline of the Persian Gulf country.

Airbus to date has won 100 firm orders for the current A350 proposal compared with 350 for Boeing's 787. That doesn't include commitments such as the 60 from Qatar, which would be the single biggest order for the plane.

As far as Ft. Worth-based American is concerned, CEO Gerard Arpey said at the Paris show: "We've had discussions with both Airbus and Boeing about what they're thinking about for the next-generation single-aisle plane. That's both on timing and on what kind of step change it would represent in terms of maintenance costs and fuel savings."

An order for 310 jets from American might be worth more than $21 billion at today's list prices. Its MD-80s are 16 years old on average.
 
Whale Rider said:
Don't know what all the crying is about. AA has got new birds in the works..........


new birds in the works can be many things. If AA only orders enough new narrowbodies to replace the 80s, who cares. It's not growth. In fact AA could order 300 new narrowbody aircraft. Sounds nice, but if they turn around and retire all the 80s, then they are in fact shrinking the airline.

Delta could announce an order for 60 787s tomorrow. Many would think it was great. Me, I would take it for what it is, nothing more than replacements for the 767ERs.
 
Big Slick said:
I read an article the other day regarding AA negotiating with both Airbus and Boeing about a replacement aircraft for the Mad-Dog. Unfortunately, the Airline Pilot Central website has changed radically and I can't find it again.

Maybe we will finally merge with British Airways.

I sure hope parking planes is not the whole strategy. Surely these guys have some sort of a strategic plan. Other than, of course, giving themselves more bonuses.


alrllnepllotforums.com

Capiche?
 
There were 27 TWA 757's when AA bought us. We also had 9 767-300's which AA traded in to Boeing for 9 brand new one's. I think some 757's were parked previously. I have no idea how many are left.

Kind of sad really. I understand the differences cause undue costs, but I sure hate to see much newer 757's with video screens that pop down over the seats instead of the older fixed "tube" type screens that hang down in the aisle. I used to hit my head on those things all the time.

All the TWA 757's were ETOPS equiped also, (Hydrolic motor generators, extended cargo fire surpression capability etc...) We flew the 757 to Lisbon, Portugal and had plans to go to Manchester, England with it also. I wonder if the AA birds are all ETOPS qualifie?. I understand the F/A's prefer the TWA planes also, inspite of a few differences in the Gally's.
 
BigMotorToter said:
There were 27 TWA 757's when AA bought us. We also had 9 767-300's which AA traded in to Boeing for 9 brand new one's. I think some 757's were parked previously. I have no idea how many are left.

Kind of sad really. I understand the differences cause undue costs, but I sure hate to see much newer 757's with video screens that pop down over the seats instead of the older fixed "tube" type screens that hang down in the aisle. I used to hit my head on those things all the time.

All the TWA 757's were ETOPS equiped also, (Hydrolic motor generators, extended cargo fire surpression capability etc...) We flew the 757 to Lisbon, Portugal and had plans to go to Manchester, England with it also. I wonder if the AA birds are all ETOPS qualifie?. I understand the F/A's prefer the TWA planes also, inspite of a few differences in the Gally's.

BMT,

Many are ETOPS, we run them from BOS,JFK -to SNN, and MAN etc. However I agree the cabin had a much nicer layout in PW 757s. It made it feel more like a large jet. The video screens were excellent. :(

AA
 
Ty Webb said:
Sure . . . . it's called "Spamembert" and they spread it on crackers . . . among other places.


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They call 'em crackers in France? I thought they were pretty PC over there.
 
AA is smart. Evil, viscious, inhumane, despicable--but smart.

It doesn't take a genius to figure that the post-9/11 recovery won't last forever. Things will slow down in the next several years. Why start building up your airline while you are still losing money and the economy is going to slow?

The next downturn, there won't be any ATSB money and no two-time veterans of Ch. 11... ;) TC
 

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