And so it begins...

[pilotyip]

You might want to do a little research about how much money is being made before you spout off your anti-union, defeatist garbage.

Hey Merry Christmas to you too, long time no see. So when the luggage handlers put up a picked line will the pilots and FA's cross it?

BTW: I thought you were getting out of aviation

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Hey Merry Christmas to you too, long time no see. So when the luggage handlers put up a picked line will the pilots and FA's cross it?

Swapa wouldn't know what to do. The AFA on the other hand is a different story, but whether the rank and file would listen or not is a different story.

 

[redflyer65]

There's no AFA at Southwest. The TWU also represents the Flight Attendants if that's what your getting at, so there would probably be some in-house unity between two factions of the same union (both TWU on the ramp and In-Flight).

 

[Nindiri]

Bleh... Baggage handlers here at SWA are some of the best paid in the industry. If they think unskilled labor deserves still more, maybe they should look elsewhere. I'm sure some of the factories or mills might be hiring.

Or get an education and a professional job.

 

[PCL_128]

Hey Merry Christmas to you too, long time no see. So when the luggage handlers put up a picked line will the pilots and FA's cross it?

You won't see any strike. The NMB would never release the TWU, at least not without knowing that a PEB is in the bag.

BTW: I thought you were getting out of aviation

I've got a little time left. And I'll still post here to annoy you and wavey.

 

[waveflyer]

That particular post doesn't annoy me at all PCL

I do love how some here think they can be anti-union for unskilled labor and yet pro union for us.
That's rich.

The bar just keeps moving for conservatives. Now it's not ok to bust your tail all day doing productive work that needs to be done- one must be an educated professional to progress financially in their eyes.
And you wonder why so many are choosing to sit on the couch. Maybe because it pays the same poverty wage.

Go on then. I'll be here advocating that good workers do deserve a living wage.
The irony is then you'll blame me and other liberal's for the welfare state when the culprit is republican disdain for honest pay for an honest day's work.

 

[PCL_128]

Amen!

 

[Nindiri]

Socialist nonsense. You deserve what you can negotiate, and if you are too lazy to learn a skill or profession, then you don't leave yourself with very much negotiating power. Decisions have consequences.

 

[SWA Bubba]

That particular post doesn't annoy me at all PCL

I do love how some here think they can be anti-union for unskilled labor and yet pro union for us.
That's rich.

You keep saying stuff like that, Wave, acting like there's absolutely no middle ground, just to frame conservatives to fit the argument that you want to make. I know you won't admit it, but it IS possible to be pro-Union (for all work groups), like me; without being in the extreme "unions-can-do-no-wrong," like PCL. However, being pro-Union doesn't mean that all unions are always right.

The bar just keeps moving for conservatives. Now it's not ok to bust your tail all day doing productive work that needs to be done- one must be an educated professional to progress financially in their eyes.
And you wonder why so many are choosing to sit on the couch. Maybe because it pays the same poverty wage.

Now who's exaggerating?

Anyone who works should get paid. They should get paid what their group can negotiate, based on the market value of their labor. Some skills are valued more highly than others; hence those people can command higher wages.

Our rampers actually make pretty good money for what is essentially unskilled manual labor. My little brother used to be a ramper for us, and his first full year (he started in a summer) he made just over $50k. Not too bad for unskilled labor, and nowhere near the "poverty wages" you claim Nindiri wants to force on that work group.

Do they deserve a raise? Sure. Like every other workgroup here, including the pilots, they deserve actual COLA raises, and probably some QOL tweaks in their work rules and/or other bennies to reward them for their part in the company's recent successes.

Go on then. I'll be here advocating that good workers do deserve a living wage.
The irony is then you'll blame me and other liberal's for the welfare state when the culprit is republican disdain for honest pay for an honest day's work.

Actually, conservatives have no problem at all with "honest pay for an honest day's work." The key, however, is the word "honest." "Honest pay" is determined by, and is the result of market forces (supply and demand). For example, forcing employers to pay more than that honest pay for low-to-unskilled labor ($15/hr minimum wage for teenage burger-flippers) kinda' puts a hole in your "honest pay" theory now, doesn't it?

And yes, we'll still blame liberals for the welfare state. For pushing and expanding it, and even incentivizing it.

Bubba

 

[Nindiri]

Well said, SWA Bubba.