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ANALYSIS: Southwest's route game in Atlanta

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ANALYSIS: Southwest's route game in Atlanta

Southwest Airlines' purchase of AirTran Airways in 2011 gave it access to the biggest market in the southeast - and one of the biggest gaps in its extensive route network across the USA - Atlanta.

After initial tweaks to the AirTran network that involved cutting service to 16 cities, the Dallas-based low-cost carrier launched its first service to the southern metropolis in February and has announced the transition of seven AirTran cities - Branson, Charlotte, Des Moines, Flint, Portland (Maine), Rochester and Wichita - to Southwest. Nonstops to Atlanta's Hartsfield airport, however, will be dropped from Branson, Charlotte, Flint, Rochester and Wichita with the switchover.

This begs the question, what are Southwest's real plans for Atlanta?

"As we integrate the two brands together we look at what makes the most sense," says the airline. "As we transition [markets] we have to take into account the traffic numbers to Atlanta as well as the rest of the Southwest system."

Atlanta is a market in flux for Southwest. It remains a large hub for AirTran but passengers will not be able to transfer between the two carriers until the first quarter of 2013 at the earliest. This makes it difficult to justify continuing to fly routes with high percentages of connecting passengers to the airport on Southwest metal. In addition, the carrier continues to restructure AirTran's hub-and-spoke operations at Hartsfield to its point-to-point model.

"[AirTran's] feed into and out of Atlanta is not as productive as it was before we started tinkering," said Gary Kelly, chairman and chief executive of Southwest, during an earnings call in October. "On the other hand, their mix of nonstop traffic is up significantly. So within AirTran, we're kind of going through quite a bit of churn. And I think we'll all have a much better AirTran network next year as we continue to tune it."

The five markets dropped from Hartsfield, with the possible exception of Charlotte, are likely difficult to justify without the connecting opportunities over Atlanta. This is supported by the fact that Charlotte, Rochester, Flint, as well as Portland, have retained or gained flights to Baltimore - Southwest's third largest city by number of departures.

Delta also competes with AirTran between Atlanta and Charlotte, Flint, Rochester, Springfield/Branson (80km northwest of Branson airport) and Wichita, according to Innovata schedules. In addition, US Airways has flights between Atlanta and Charlotte.

Being a smaller city with a high percentage of connecting traffic over Atlanta does not preclude that Southwest service to the Georgia city is out. The carrier kept AirTran flights between both Akron-Canton and Dayton and Hartsfield after it began operations to the airports in August.
Akron and Wichita present a good comparison. Both are metropolitan areas with around 700,000 residents - the former a bit more and the latter a bit less - located in the US midwest and formerly served by only AirTran. The main difference is that Akron serves as an alternative airport to the Cleveland area, which is about 50 miles (80km) to the north.

Southwest launched service between Akron and both Chicago Midway and Denver, while keeping AirTran's service to Atlanta as well as its flights to Baltimore, Boston, Fort Myers, New York LaGuardia, Orlando and Tampa. The airline said in April that it would decide when to convert the AirTran flights to Southwest at a later date.

Temporarily flying both carriers to Akron allows Southwest to build on AirTran's existing passenger base at the airport while maintaining the established traffic flows that have built up during the more than a decade that AirTran has served the facility.

Wichita is another story. Southwest will replace AirTran's three-daily flights to Hartsfield with five flights to Chicago Midway, Dallas Love Field and Las Vegas from 2 June 2013. While the new routes make sense when integrating into Southwest's existing network, Bob McAdoo, an airline analyst at Imperial Capital, points out that the changes will make travel to the southeast and Florida - routings that make sense over Atlanta - on the combined networks much less convenient.

"They are adding new routes but dropping what's established," he says. "I'm not real sure what's going on with Wichita."
Robert Mann, an airline industry analyst at RW Mann & Company, adds that some of the markets cut from Atlanta may not be suitable to the larger 737 once the combined Southwest and AirTran fleet returns to a single-type in 2015.

Complicating things, Southwest has also added flights to new markets from Atlanta. It launched flights to Austin, Louisville and Norfolk - the latter replaced cancelled AirTran service to nearby Newport News-Williamsburg - when it began service to Hartsfield in February and recently announced the resumption of seasonal Seattle flights in June 2013.

The airline says that some Atlanta destinations will come back as the integration continues and there is more "synergy between the networks". It points to Seattle as an example.

Major cities appear to be above the fray. AirTran continues to fly multiple times daily between Hartsfield and destinations including Chicago Midway, Fort Lauderdale, New York LaGuardia, Orlando and Washington National. All are key cities to maintain if Southwest wants to boost its share of originating and departing traffic from Atlanta.

Integrated schedules will be a critical juncture for Southwest in Atlanta. With domestic connections feasible between the carriers - international will have to wait until a new reservation system from Amadeus is implemented in 2014 - all of the spokes that have been dropped could easily come back and new routes to Southwest cities added.

The carrier demonstrates its willingness to continually tweak its route network with its schedule updates every six weeks. Earlier this month, it announced that it will end flights between Oakland and Reno - a route that it has served since November 1990 - as well as between Albuquerque and Tucson, Little Rock and St. Louis, and Birmingham (Alabama) and both Ft. Myers and Jacksonville on 1 June 2013.

Southwest's increasing focus on its bottom line is likely playing a big role in the schedule changes at Atlanta. Management has deferred the deliveries of at least 31 737s through 2014 and stated that combined AirTran and Southwest capacity will be flat through next year, as it attempts to achieve a 15% return on invested capital in 2013.

The carrier will undoubtedly continue to juggle it and AirTran's combined schedule and routes from Hartsfield until the integration is complete - in 2015. Some destinations will change while others will stay but, while some may be dismayed by the recent cuts, the southern metropolis will remain a key focus in the Southwest system.

"It's not that there's a lesser focus on Atlanta, it's just that we tweak the schedule so that customers are getting what they want and the aircraft time is being utilised appropriately," says Southwest.
 
SWA route game in ATL? Delete AT as a threat. Mission accomplished. It will take a few years but once the transision is over, I wager ATL will be a much smaller city for SWA.
 
You guys are getting your rear ends kicked in ATL. You don't know what to do. You guys sure did talk big before starting here with your quirky "Fights ON" type statements, and now I see a lot fewer AT and only a few Corndogs at the gates at a time. Well, at least you are starting Flint....


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
...now I see a lot fewer AT and only a few Corndogs at the gates at a time.

Bye Bye---General Lee

Wouldn't that mean they are out flying? What about the sea of white hulls & blue tails on the north end? You gotta a lot of parked airplanes to be talkin smack Chum-lee.

Phred
 
I was just there.

There was an impressive amount of RJs parked (as the General keeps spouting)

Problem is, there were more Delta planes parked than RJs!
 
I was just there.

There was an impressive amount of RJs parked (as the General keeps spouting)

Problem is, there were more Delta planes parked than RJs!

So you were here on Thanksgiving? I was at home enjoying a huge Turkey dinner with my family. And I bet there were some mainline planes parked, it was Thanksgiving. The new contract states 200 plus RJs will be parked, and 70 added, while we add 88 of your 717s (an excellent deal btw, $100 million paid by you guys to paint and refurbish them and give heavy checks), along with 14 MD90s in 2013. (717s come over 3 years).

So, how was late Turkey at the bar in Midland? I bet it was Fantastic!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Wouldn't that mean they are out flying? What about the sea of white hulls & blue tails on the north end? You gotta a lot of parked airplanes to be talkin smack Chum-lee.

Phred

No, lots of open gates with a couple Corndog 737s and a few AT planes. There used to be more waves of traffic, constantly filling the gates. It doesn't appear to be the same these days. I was expecting to see a lot more Corndogs, but that really hasn't been the case. The "invasion" never happened.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Haha. You have no clue. But thanks for trying the positive POS spin.

RF

Hahaha is right. Sorry, it must have been Armadillo. I hope your 5 legs to Boise were good today! Get some sleep, you got 5 more to Harlingen tomorrow. :)



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
General,

Really I'm glad you were at home having Turkey. But during the busiest time of the year and 20-30 mainline planes parked in Atlanta? Doesn't sound too good to me. Bookings must have been a little light. We were full all day (along with our largest airports), but hey....it's all about you having turkey instead of making money then that makes me happy.
 
So you were here on Thanksgiving? I was at home enjoying a huge Turkey dinner with my family
Bye Bye---General Lee


Wow, you were home for Thanksgiving?!?! You must be the coolest pilot around to pull of such an amazing feat. :rolleyes:
 
Wow, you are the coolest pilot around. :rolleyes:

It's good you are starting to realize that above. Unfortunately Redflyer had to fly on the holiday, but at least he got double pay yesterday. That is a great part of their contract. Do the AT pilots get that now?


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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It's good you are starting to realize that above. Unfortunately Redflyer had to fly on the holiday, but at least he got double pay yesterday. That is a great part of their contract. Do the AT pilots get that now?


Bye Bye---General Lee
No, but I really like that part of the SWA contract, especially since it lets those of us who will be junior over there who don't care about the double time have the holiday off.

More power to 'em, I'll take every holiday with my family I can get. You could offer quadruple time and I'd pass.

Different strokes and all...
 
No, but I really like that part of the SWA contract, especially since it lets those of us who will be junior over there who don't care about the double time have the holiday off.

More power to 'em, I'll take every holiday with my family I can get. You could offer quadruple time and I'd pass.

Different strokes and all...

So you don't get double pay on holidays and your "brothers" do at SWA? What total BS. And who gets to keep your bag fees? Another crock of dung. I bet you're not feeling the "luv." Ridiculous. Well, I hope you get all the holidays off when you do blend in with your new "family." Good luck.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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You think it's a crock of dung because you really wanted another US Air scenerio with Southwest and Airtran. It ain't happening Gen. Sorry you missed out.

So you can attempt to stir the pot all you want, but the deal is done and everyone will be together on 1/1/15. Document written, voted on, and the ink is dry. How many years are you going to drag this tag line out for? Just add it to your insistent LBB banter. As stated earlier, you sound like a high school idiot arguing with your sister.
 
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He fancies himself a ladies’ man, yet tends to be a joke to all but the most naive of women. He tries to portray himself as part of the in-crowd (a fashionista, an upwardly mobile professional, the life of the party, etc.) but only succeeds in his own mind.

To everyone else, he is an annoying and arrogant phony who comes across as a wannabe overcompensating for his insecurities. He tries to appear like the center of whatever group will tolerate him, but in reality, he is just a tag-along who mooches drinks, women, contacts, social standing, and other benefits from the group... while contributing nothing.

SO how did GOOGLE get it RIGHT !
 
You think it's a crock of dung because you really wanted another US Air scenerio with Southwest and Airtran. It ain't happening Gen. Sorry you missed out.

So you can attempt to stir the pot all you want, but the deal is done and everyone will be together on 1/1/15. Document written, voted on, and the ink is dry. How many years are you going to drag this tag line out for? Just add it to your insistent LBB banter. As stated earlier, you sound like a high school idiot arguing with your sister.[/QUOTE

One Basic question for you Sir-

Was the buy out of AT a good business move or a knee jerk reaction to protect market share ?
 
One Basic question for you Sir-

Was the buy out of AT a good business move or a knee jerk reaction to protect market share ?

That's a valid question.

I believe Gary Kelly looked at it a couple of different ways and it made sense to make the deal. Like..

1 - Remove a up and coming competitor in various markets. I believe he saw Airtran growing westward and this removed that future battle.

2 - Not just getting a toe hold in Atlanta, but a complete operation, immediately.

3 - Their 737's on property, PLUS the 737 order balance sheet.

4 - Instant Caribbean presence.

5 - The cost was very attractive for what he was getting.

I think in the end it will be a good business decision. Good business decisions usually bring good market share.
 
Here you go again Red. You attack post numbers because you can't debate. You attack because you have zero facts to work with. You lose, and you layover in Ronkonkoma and LBB. Enjoy your 5 legs today buddy all the way to Omaha.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
I did a google search for GENERAL LEE and look what I found:

DEFINE GENERAL LEE: General Lee is the same as D*O*U*C*H*B*A*G generally refers to a male with a certain combination of obnoxious characteristics related to attitude, social ineptitude, public behavior, or outward presentation.

Though the common D*O*U*C*H*B*A*G thinks he is accepted by the people around him, most of his peers dislike him. He has an inflated sense of self-worth, compounded by a lack of social grace and self-awareness. He behaves inappropriately in public, yet is completely ignorant to how pathetic he appears to others.

He often talks about how cool, successful, and popular he is, yet never catches on to the fact that he comes across as a total loser. Neverthehless, he firmly believes that he is the smartest, most desirable, and most charming person in the room... and will try to bad-rep anyone who would threaten to expose this facade.

He fancies himself a ladies’ man, yet tends to be a joke to all but the most naive of women. He tries to portray himself as part of the in-crowd (a fashionista, an upwardly mobile professional, the life of the party, etc.) but only succeeds in his own mind.

To everyone else, he is an annoying and arrogant phony who comes across as a wannabe overcompensating for his insecurities. He tries to appear like the center of whatever group will tolerate him, but in reality, he is just a tag-along who mooches drinks, women, contacts, social standing, and other benefits from the group... while contributing nothing.

SO how did GOOGLE get it RIGHT !

That was a lot of work to end up NOT funny. You lose. You and Red can enjoy Harlingen together.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
So you were here on Thanksgiving? I was at home enjoying a huge Turkey dinner with my family.


Bye Bye---General Lee

So basically you were eating at Boston Market while debating on your laptop with your Family Flightinfo? So essentially you were eating turkey on a plastic plate while communicating with other users (Family) on Flightinfo. That is cool they have free wifi at Boston Market!
 
That's a valid question.

I believe Gary Kelly looked at it a couple of different ways and it made sense to make the deal. Like..

1 - Remove a up and coming competitor in various markets. I believe he saw Airtran growing westward and this removed that future battle.

2 - Not just getting a toe hold in Atlanta, but a complete operation, immediately.

3 - Their 737's on property, PLUS the 737 order balance sheet.

4 - Instant Caribbean presence.

5 - The cost was very attractive for what he was getting.

I think in the end it will be a good business decision. Good business decisions usually bring good market share.


Thanks for the response. I was wondering if the pilots were seeing this as a good business decision or a " Jump the shark " moment .

Thanks again.
 
Here you go again Red. You attack post numbers because you can't debate. You attack because you have zero facts to work with. You lose, and you layover in Ronkonkoma and LBB. Enjoy your 5 legs today buddy all the way to Omaha.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Can't debate? Now that's funny coming from a guy who has to continually put LBB or HRL in his post (along with the new...you screwed the AAI guys) because YOU have nothing better.

Just like in the Rihanna post you made.....you didn't debate. You went right into throwing out Lubbock and the Integration (which had nothing to do with Delta flying around a singer). You couldn't admit you made an idiotic post, so you resorted to throwing mud. That's all you know.

And this gets to the very point that you USED to add good info. Now all you do is try to sling mud and attempt to humilate. This is what you've become General, and everyone on this board sees it the same way. Although Gizmonc's post was lengthy, there was alot of tongue in cheek truth there. Very sad what you've become.
 
I was getting ready to board my flight to LBB or was it HRL the other day and I was excited to see a NAVY Admiral in the boarding area but when he got closer I was totally confused it was just a DELTA PILOT. What a let down!
 

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