An Honest Question for AirTran Pilots

[Kharma Police]

KP, don't forget you have 85ish rjs and 50ish 73s. Swa has 550 73s. Notice the difference?

Not sure what the relevance is but I'll take a stab. You think because you have more airplanes then therefore you are entitled to something different in the SLI?

Maybe you want to tie it back to GuppyWN's qusetion?

Delta has around 700 planes, VA has around 30.

 

[S3sundowner]

Listen KP, like I said earlier, you guys are in a win-win situation. I think you will take a hit on the sli, just my .02, but you will have fences to protect you. So, if you are an aai captain now, you will be for the next 4 years or so. During that time, you will be, if you so chose, on the swa contract making serious bank. $40k/month for a swa captain is not uncommon. You may lose out a little in the sli because of what you are gaining, but by the time the fences come down, you will be so far ahead of where you are now, and, if what you aai guys say comes true (ie aai represents significant growth opporunities to swa), then you will have 2-2.5k in new hires below you. You shouldn't look this gift horse in the mouth for too long, but don't expect significant victories in this sli; I seriously doubt you guys will do any better than a 6 or 7 to 1 ratiod integration. And that, my friend, is a great deal for you and you should know it.

 

[Kharma Police]

Listen KP, like I said earlier, you guys are in a win-win situation. I think you will take a hit on the sli, just my .02, but you will have fences to protect you. So, if you are an aai captain now, you will be for the next 4 years or so. During that time, you will be, if you so chose, on the swa contract making serious bank. $40k/month for a swa captain is not uncommon. You may lose out a little in the sli because of what you are gaining, but by the time the fences come down, you will be so far ahead of where you are now, and, if what you aai guys say comes true (ie aai represents significant growth opporunities to swa), then you will have 2-2.5k in new hires below you. You shouldn't look this gift horse in the mouth for too long, but don't expect significant victories in this sli; I seriously doubt you guys will do any better than a 6 or 7 to 1 ratiod integration. And that, my friend, is a great deal for you and you should know it.

Again, the arbitrator will make the decision, weather it goes down like you say is to be determined. However, if I were you I would try and refrain from telling my fellow pilots and myself how great you think your version of events will be. I can smell the BS through my computer screen.

 

[texman]

I don't feel "entitled" to anything so I wouldn't mind. However, the person already in his captain seat is logically more deserving, not the FO who would be taking his place. That in terms of career progression (not pay) is a windfall.

Great neutral post ( not being a smart a>>), but what good would it be for the AT pilots to take this to arbitration. Career progression and career expectations are the some what the same. The captain position is all about the money. I think thats why you see some guy's do the pay comparison thing here on FI. You look at a captain pay at AT verse Mid to SR FO pay at SWA. So with the seat thing in play why does a AT captain deserve to hold his seat and make more money when he would if he was a FO at SWA. Plus when a company furloughs a pilot group what career expectations does the whole list have in the long run with a company that under values it's employees. Look at the 70+ firm orders we have. Look at the 51+ orders you have. What do we know about the future of AT growth. Do you think AT could have been long term competitive against SWA. Maybe, maybe not? So would career progression/expectations only be predicated on growth or money and seat held on the 27th 2010? Correct me if I am wrong, were all 51 airplanes going to be exercise in 2011?

 

[maxblast72]

KP, don't forget you have 85ish rjs and 50ish 73s. Swa has 550 73s. Notice the difference?

Sundowner, don't forget Airtran has 32 gates in ATL, about 10-15 slots in DCA, about 15-20 roundtrips a day outside the Lower 48, and about 20-25 slots in LGA. SWA has 0 gates in ATL, 0 slots in DCA, 0 roundtrips a day outside the lower 48, and 10 slots in LGA. Notice the difference? Gary Kelly did and he broke out the checkbook (and offered a 70% premium to the AAI shareholders).

 

[S3sundowner]

Max, I did mention some of that stuff in my earlier posts. There's no doubt you guys are bringing opportunities, but so are swa. It's not your operation GK wants, it's the combined operation. You are gaining an industry leading contract and the future is both secure and prosperous for you guys. The sooner you come to an agreement, the sooner you guys prosper. When the lists are merged, what's important is career expectation, not gates in atl or wherever. Just plain and simple, career expectation. I think if you take a snapshot on the 27th of your career expectation and your counterpart at swa, it will be VASTLY different. Your counterpart at swa is not concerned with gates in atl; he/she is concerned with career expectation and fortunately for you, it's a lot better at swa, including with a staple.

 

[texman]

Maxblast72,

I will play too! DEPARTURES PER DAY

SWA/AT

LAS-221/AVG 5-10

MDW-214/AVG 5-15

BWI-212/AVG 50

PHX-168/AVG 5

DEN-139/AVG 5

MCO-136/AVG 50

HOU-124/AVG 5

DAL- 115/AVG 0

LAX- 113/ AVG 5

OAK- 101/ AVG 0

SAN- 90/ AVG 0

STL- 83/ AVG 5

BNA- 71/ AVG 0

SMF- 64/ AVG 0

SJC- 62/ AVG 0

MCI- 61/ AVG 5

PHL- 60/ AVG 5-10

SWA DEPARTURE FOR 09- 1,125,111

AT DEPARTURES FOR 09- 251,694

Can you imagine how many customers SWA brings?

Don't forget that checkbook was mad available buy our employees and our loyal customers.

Notice the difference?

 

[vixin]

Why bother with these guys. They arent worth it. DO yourself a favor and put them on the ignore list. Do me a favor and dont quote the little children.

 

[F9 Driver]

Ok, that article is such bull. I heard GK 8 feet away from me state the labor was a non issue. It was the fact that he would have to furlough and F9's books were a mess. I think it was a mgt tactic to show good face with the pilots as a new leader. But from what I understand he got what he needed out of the deal.

This article is as close to what happened as anything written before or since. Find anything that isn't factual in it and report away.

Your revisionist histrionics make even less sense than most of the drivel posted on FI, but whatever it takes to get you through the night...

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

I would like to know what AAI is bringing to the table that SWA didn't pay for!