AmWest, USAirways Decision Soon?

[Wiskey Driver]

Do you know this to be a fact Wiskey? Being a junior F/O at AWA you can understand my interest...
Andy

Yes!!!!! LOA 93

 

[Wiskey Driver]

so what is the realistic outlook for us AWA newbies? should i be losing sleep?

Well PR that's one that no one can really answer... This business is the same as gambling sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

WD.

 

[Twotter76]

Air Wisconsin pilots are going to jump ahead on the APL and reside above all the former mainline pilots.

This should allow an AWA 737 captain to immediatly bid the 767, and an Air Wisconsin CRJ FO to move into the A330 right seat as a line holder. The only real fences are reportedly going to keep the furloughed U pilot out of the picture permanently, just as Wiskey Driver alluded to.

Funny I work for Air Wis and they haven't even told us if our 70 options for placing aircraft are going to be used, much less what you are alluding to. I find it somewhat difficult to accept and don't want it anyway. Those guys have been screwed over enough without a scenario like you propose. We are as worried about the merger as the junior AWA guys I bet...

 

[BeCareful!]

Twotter76 -

I didn't think I would have to point out the sarcasm in my post....

Relax: you won't have to fly the A330 any time soon

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Funny I work for Air Wis and they haven't even told us if our 70 options for placing aircraft are going to be used, much less what you are alluding to. I find it somewhat difficult to accept and don't want it anyway. Those guys have been screwed over enough without a scenario like you propose. We are as worried about the merger as the junior AWA guys I bet...

Twotter, being one who worked for AWAC as well I wouldn't be telling you something new when I say that they NEVER told us anything until the eleventh hour. With that said I don't know about this other twist but make no mistake USAirways will not just lay down and say give it to me!!!! Nothing worse than a cornered individual, they will fight to the death...

WD.

 

[Soulfly]

It won't matter anyway's guys.

If AWA and Airways merge, it won't be long before the new entity will be out of business. While SWA sits on the sideline drinking a little Wild Turkey and watching the trainwreck unfold. Then they pick up the pieces they want while laughing all the way to the bank.

Replacing Airways management won't change the fact that the dark blue airplanes aren't making money.


What's that line in Top Gun about the truck driving school?

 

[ash5855]

so what is the realistic outlook for us AWA newbies? should i be losing sleep?

Hey P.R., All the advice thus far is pretty good advice. try not to worry about things you can't control. I, also a junior AWA pilot, am in the same boat as you. Unfortunately, I couldn't stop thinking about merger scenarios either.

This has lead me to do alot of research on ALPA merger policy. Particularly how it pertains to our possible merger.

First of all, ALPA merger policy has nothing to do with DOH. The underlying theme is to protect carreer expectations of the pilots and not create a windfall for one group at the expense of the other.

What are the career expaectations of a furloughed, junior, or even senior pilot at USair?
How about us?

I believe the worst case scenario for AWA pilots wouldn't be that bad at all.

The fair and equitable scenario would probably be an "Allegheny-Mohawk" type merger (the basis for current ALPA merger policy) in which "currently employed" pilots at each airline will be merged in such a way that all keep their relative seniority and seat. unfortunately for USair furloughees, they would remain furloughed.

Doing even further research into the possibilties of this merger I came to find out that ALPA merger policy may be all a moot point because a seniority list merger is really all about leverage. This is where things could get very interesting..

During one of their last round of concessions, USair pilots did give up some big rights with regards to merger and fragmentaion. LOA93..(in part)

Change in Control:

If the Company is under Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection during the
duration of this Agreement, ALPA agrees that the provisions of Sections 1
(C)3 and 1(D), as amended, and the provisions of Section 1(J)1 will not
apply with respect to any issuance of equity or redistribution of equity
associated with endeavoring to achieve, or achieving, a confirmed plan of
reorganization in such Chapter 11 case.

Here is the important contract section the LOA 93 eliminates:

1.C.3. In the event that the Company is merged with another airline, the
Company’s pilots shall, upon such merger, be provided labor protective
provisions no less favorable than those specified by the CAB in the
Allegheny-Mohawk merger.

This thing could end up a windfall.. and I don't mean for USair pilots..

 

[PositiveRate]

Thanks guys...I figure what's going to happen will happen, and I'm along for the ride at the moment. I'm just not all that worried right now, but it will be interesting to see how this all unfolds. Haven't lost any sleep yet. That can always change, of course.

PR

 

[Wiskey Driver]

It won't matter anyway's guys.

If AWA and Airways merge, it won't be long before the new entity will be out of business. While SWA sits on the sideline drinking a little Wild Turkey and watching the trainwreck unfold. Then they pick up the pieces they want while laughing all the way to the bank.

Replacing Airways management won't change the fact that the dark blue airplanes aren't making money.


What's that line in Top Gun about the truck driving school?

Well SF this is were you are wrong!! Airways east coast market especially the shuttle is very lucrative. NY, DC, PHL, BOS, just to name a few. That is the attractive part to all this. Poor mgt can mess up the best of things. USAirway was one of the carriers that came out of Dereg stomping!!!! The right MGT and correct operations COULD in fact hurt SWA in PHL and PITT. But again it's all spectulation...

WD.