Amwest Usair ?

[BOYCAPTAIN]

Hey..amwest buddies are starting to bump usapa guys wearing their yellow lanyards...one guy was told to remove it in order to j/s...and he did...they asked me to do the same but we don't get many pax guys on the j/s....has this been going on for some time?

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Flame Bait

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

Flame Bait

this coming from the king of flame?????

posted by grog...

"Well, maybe because WE BOUGHT YOU. Yeah, right after the time AWA covered your payroll but just before you were going to LIQUIDATE.

Oh and by the way, YOUR OWN MEC and JNC gave all that stuff back to management DURING YOUR TWO TRIPS INTO BANKRUPTCY. Of course your stellar airline was profitable... oh, not since '98, sorry. It only became profiatable after the merger, my bad.

ALPA IS NOT THE CAUSE OF YOUR PROBLEMS. YOUR MEC IS THE CAUSE OF YOUR PROBLEMS. They lie to you, they keep things from you.

If the award was so unfair, why did both pilot neutrals go along with it? Have you seen Nicolau's qualifications? I think he's got a better handle on things than USAPA or the East MEC.

As the Airbus says: "retard... retard... retard....""

 

[Tejas-Jet]

So a guy from your own company is bumping you off a J/S because you are wearing a different lanyard?

If this is true...you guys got more problems than you think...and it's gonna affect the bottom line...

Again, I got no dog in this fight...but any pilot or pilot group has the right to determine who they want as a bargaining agent. Just becasue they aren't happy with yours doesn't make them a bunch of bad people.

But healing this rift...will take years...decades...

 

[jke406]

the east/west feud will seem like a lovefest compared to the pending Delta/Northwest attempted integration.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Awesome! I'm the KING OF FLAME!!!

Finally some recognition for all my hard work around here.

And I'd also like to thank you for keeping track of my posts. Now, I've misplaced my car keys, can you help me find those too.

 

[BeCareful!]

Removed from a jumpseat for that?.....that's funny. I'll just call my chief pilot and tell him a WindFall pilot wouldn't let me ride, and that I'll get there when I get there.

Who really cares at this point?

 

[Bringupthebird]

Hey..amwest buddies are starting to bump usapa guys wearing their yellow lanyards...one guy was told to remove it in order to j/s...and he did...they asked me to do the same but we don't get many pax guys on the j/s....has this been going on for some time?

They ought to. Any USAPA guy who can't read the N-number of the airplane he's about to ask for a ride on, and then wants to bait the flightcrew by flaunting his yellow trinkets, knows full well he's trying to be a distraction and should be barred from the flight deck for safety reasons. The paying passengers have the right to a flight deck focused on the safe completion of a flight, not distracting politics.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I'd agree with Bringupthebird, but as the King of Flame Bait, I don't want to dilute the argument he's making.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Again, I got no dog in this fight...but any pilot or pilot group has the right to determine who they want as a bargaining agent. Just becasue they aren't happy with yours doesn't make them a bunch of bad people.

No, it's the agenda behind the change that's bad. If they had decided to go with Teamsters or someone else years ago when all their sorrows started, then the battle would at least be reasonable. Instead they decide to take out of the hide of their fellow pilot's what they could't protect from a bankruptcy judge. And refusing to honor the agreements they made doesn't necessarily make them bad, just untrustworthy.

 

[get2flyin]

Hey..amwest buddies are starting to bump usapa guys wearing their yellow lanyards...one guy was told to remove it in order to j/s...and he did...they asked me to do the same but we don't get many pax guys on the j/s....has this been going on for some time?

(Sigh) This brings back unpleasant memories of AA guys coming into the cockpit with "SCOPE" badges and asking Eagle pilots for a ride. Why would you kick the dog and then be offended when he bites?

If I went into a USAir cockpit with a badge backer that said, "Screw USAPA", I wouldn't count on getting a ride. On the same token, an East pilot who comes into an HP cockpit flashing "USAPA" gang signs is pretty much just being a prick. West knows how East feels and vice-versa. Nobody is going to change anybody's mind. What are there guys really trying to prove?

Is it too much to ask of either side just leave the B.S. politics on the jetbridge when you ASK PERMISSION to occupy the jumpseat? Why is it so hard for some people to act like professionals?

 

[radarlove]

The paying passengers have the right to a flight deck focused on the safe completion of a flight, not distracting politics.

What's a "flight deck"?

 

[Bringupthebird]

What's a "flight deck"?

You must be a Delta pilot. Make that "Flight Porch".

 

[CA1900]

What's a "flight deck"?

It's the little room in the front of the plane where the pilot sits.

But that's not important right now.

 

[PositiveRate]

BeCareful wrote -

"Removed from a jumpseat for that?.....that's funny. I'll just call my chief pilot and tell him a WindFall pilot wouldn't let me ride, and that I'll get there when I get there.

Who really cares at this point?"

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I sure am glad we have furloughed people like you returning to the new US Airways. You're attitude is truly an asset.

I'm not so sure the response from crying to your CP would be what you expect. If a captain deems it to be a legitimate distraction, you remove it or you find another way to get to work. This is no different than a captain requiring no merger talk during the flight. You comply or you don't ride. Your choice.