AMR pilots say not so fast

[Freight Dog]

Surplus,

How do you feel about DALPA scope now that it protects you from lowballers like Mesa due to the fact that they fly aircraft with more than 70 seats?

Looking forward to your answer..

Best regards!


FD

 

[sleepy]

General,

Since we all bargin seperately with DAL, well actually we bargain with ASA or Comair not DAL, why do you want to tie any concessions that DAL pilots give to concessions by the WO employees? Isn't that in effect bargaining for the WO's?

You all had the chance to bargain for the ASA and Comair pilots, but you voted down the PID. The rest is history.

As others have said, you are the only pilot group who's costs are out of line with your peers. Our costs at ASA and Comair are about equal with our peers. We are making money, you are losing money. Logically, you are the ones that should give (if necessary). I really don't think you should give back a penny to Ma DAL, but that is your business.

The problem with you mainline pilots is that you are a bunch of hypocrites:

1. Don't want to fly RJ's, give them to express carriers, until you lose your job, then they look pretty good (J4J).

2. Don't want RJ pilots on your list (voted the PID down), we are seperate companies with no operational integration, but you want to tie your concessions to us taking concessions.

3. Want to put RJ on mainline, fine. When you do we will file another PID. Lets see that hypocracy again.

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Do you ever and have you ever shared your wealth or for that matter anything else? The answer is NO. You have shared nothing. As a matter of fact all you have ever tried to do is take from us for yourselves.

I really don't care to get too involved, as most of you already know how I feel. However, I couldn't let the above go.

We have allowed you 49% of our flying!!! You have benefitted from one of the most liberal scope clause in the industry, and are growing faster than almost any other airline. You are doing so only because we have allowed it. I think it was a mistake, and would have much preferred to see that growth at mainline through onelist (with a staple), but find it pretty ironic to be told that it is we who are trying to take things from you. I am furloughed, and guys who were CFIs a month ago are doing my flying only because we have "shared the wealth." I am not going to propose that we have done so out of the goodness of our hearts, but the fact remains that you have directly benefitted from our actions, and continue to do so.

P.S.
Unlike you, no Delta pilot has ever worked to take airplanes that you are already flying. You and the other rjdc supporters cannot make the same claim. I know, you look at it differently (seemingly ignoring the language in the very lawsuit you support). I just thought you should know that I view you accusing us of trying to steal what's yours as the height of hypocracy.

 

[General Lee]

Surplus and Sleepy,

Man alive, you guys have team spirit! Your team, that is. First of all, without Delta feed---your airline or airlines would be toast. We could easily get Mesa or Chit-talk to do your jobs, and we have in Florida. Delta could sell off your portions and bring on Mesa for a premium. Who knows? Maybe they will do that---all to save a $. Our furloughs will eventually be back, and we will grow, especially if UAL tanks. We may be "over priced" as you say, and we will take some cuts to bring us down alittle--but we will still be the highest paid. We will try to take some of those CRJ70's and most definitely the 90 or 100 seaters---so unfortunately your growth in the 70 seat range will stop. So, maybe you are right---you need that pay. We probably will be left holding the bag, and no doubt the Comair pilots will not get squat from us--hiring etc---in the future. But hey, that's the way you want it---alrighty then!!! We'll see what happens.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[trainerjet]

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Comair, Comair, Comair, Comair, Comair, Comair, Comair, Comair
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AD NAUSEUM..................

 

[sleepy]

Surplus and Sleepy,

Man alive, you guys have team spirit! Your team, that is. First of all, without Delta feed---your airline or airlines would be toast. We could easily get Mesa or Chit-talk to do your jobs, and we have in Florida. Delta could sell off your portions and bring on Mesa for a premium. Who knows? Maybe they will do that---all to save a $. Our furloughs will eventually be back, and we will grow, especially if UAL tanks. We may be "over priced" as you say, and we will take some cuts to bring us down alittle--but we will still be the highest paid. We will try to take some of those CRJ70's and most definitely the 90 or 100 seaters---so unfortunately your growth in the 70 seat range will stop. So, maybe you are right---you need that pay. We probably will be left holding the bag, and no doubt the Comair pilots will not get squat from us--hiring etc---in the future. But hey, that's the way you want it---alrighty then!!! We'll see what happens.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Unfortunantly, DAL could get someone else to do all of our jobs for less. That is what the portfolio concept is all about. Don't forget, you are in the portfolio too. A little bankruptcy, and the next thing you know DAL pilots lose all of their scope protection.

Why don't you DAL guy ever complain about your liberal international code share (all of those widebody jobs going to French pilots), it's always about ASA and Comair isn't it?

I guess we don't really feel like part of the team because we are not treated like part of the team. DAL enjoys our profitsm (in good times and bad), but when the time comes to be rewarded for all of our hard work; oh no, Mesa or Chit could do your job for less. They could and would do your job for less too.

Tell me General, after we were purchased by DAL, which group of DAL employees welcomed us to the team by filing a grievance to keep our employees from having DOH pass privileges?

Also, you never answered me on the PID. Which Group of DAL employees had a chance to control all ASA and Comair pilots after we were purchased by DAL, but chose not to (BTW, had you approved the PID, and most of us ASA and Comair pilots were on furlough right now instead of your 1200 pilots, how hard would you be working to get us back?)?

Also, you never did say how you could tie concessions at ASA and Comair to concessions at DAL mainline if we are, as you say, seperate bargaining units of ALPA? If you are able to do it, it should make the RJDC crowd pretty happy.

I hope we continue to offer your furloughed pilots a job, but I see little use in dealing with your pilot group in any other way. We have been there before.