Amf Emb-120 Fo

[bbq smoker]

Hey guys,

Just wondered how Ameriflight hires their EMB 120 FO's? Are they usually hired from within? If they are filled from outside, what is the progression from FO throughout the company? Is it a situation where you upgrade to CA on the E-120, or is it common to jump to the BE-99 or Metro? I know that I have a way to go before I can apply to them or anyone else, but I'm looking at all of my options! Of course this may all be irrelevant, since the one thing I have learned so far in this business is that it ALWAYS changes. Thanks in advance for the responses!:beer:

 

[Rogue5]

Plenty of EMB-120 F.O.s being hired at SkyWest with lower mins than any 135 operator these days (1000 vs. 1200 TT)...

 

[skengdon]

less than that

Plenty of EMB-120 F.O.s being hired at SkyWest with lower mins than any 135 operator these days (1000 vs. 1200 TT)...

I saw mins posted on their website @ 600TT/100ME

 

[SDCFI]

Go to Skywest. You'll be much happier and have a better QOL while making more money. Looks like Zilla Captain at SKW is running about a year, provided you meet the mins to upgrade so you'd probably even be captain faster than at AMF. We do hire off the street 120 F/O's, not sure what the mins are. In fact we just had an F/O hired off the street quit after about 6 months or so to go to a regional if that tells you anything.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Wow, you must have it great at Sky West then for your QOL to be better. I mean, our west TX Bra pilots fly 20 days a month, all out and backs (no 2,3 or 4 day trips) and many trips get a 6-8 hour layover at the company crashpad. At the most a Bra pilot will fly 4 legs in a duty period. I've even heard that some of the Bra captains have pulled in over $100K in a year (of course they picked up every bit of extra flying they could).

 

[time builder]

Usually AMF recruits EMB FOs internally, primarilly training captains and 99 FO's. There were 2 or 3 postitions that opened up this month which was 4 months since the last position was available. If you're looking to get in AMF with less than 1200 hours, there's probably a better chance at getting an external recruitment into a training captain position.
When I talked to the CP about progression, I wanted to go to the left seat of the EMB from the right, he seemed more intent on putting me in a BE99 to build PIC time first. But I've heard some still try to stick it out in the right seat anyway.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Some do stick it out and it works just fine. Two of our West Texas captains in the Brasilia took that route. Regionals are not for everybody guys.

 

[bbq smoker]

Thanks for the replies guys! I don't know why, but I am just alot more interested in going that route than the regionals. Are the Brasillias in Texas all outstation based? How does that work? Is it best to live in the outstation, or do they fly out of DFW and sit until the trip back? Just curious....again, thanks in advance for the responses! :beer:

 

[DirtyBeech]

Yes, the DFW E120's are all outstationed. Those pilots live in either Midland, Lubbock, or Amarillo and fly the plane to DFW each evening. Once there they will either proceed to the company layover (apartments) until the early AM or normal morning launches depending on their schedule that week.

All DFW pilots are outstationed except for the reserves and the ACP.

 

[time builder]

If I'm not mistaken, the ONT routes are both outstation based. I would think that EMB outstation bases are better because you're in a bigger city than what you would fly in to in say a Chieftain or a BE99.
I'm not a huge fan of being based at the hub, you're gone all day and you get home just in time to go to bed. Some bases compensate for that by giving you a 4 day work week, so you have some home life. Otherwise, alot of guys split up their sleep schedule: half at home, half at the outstation. I don't know about you, but I just can't do that safely.

 

[EatSleepFly]

Otherwise, alot of guys split up their sleep schedule: half at home, half at the outstation. I don't know about you, but I just can't do that safely.

That's pretty much what I do, works fine for me. I don't think I could stand being outstation-based. I need some variety.

I like being hub-based. I have no life and almost no belongings anyways. Laying over at the outstation hotels, at least I have cable TV, a bed, internet, pool, sometimes a crew car, free hot breakfast, and a shower that I don't have to pay for. :nuts:

 

[DirtyBeech]

The split sleep schedule is not ideal, but you learn to live with it. I would hate to be one of the guys who flys all night only to go home and sleep all day. That's not exactly the best schedule for taking care of things around the house (spouse included). But hey, I sit reserve, and sometimes don't do a darn thing all day, so I've got some fudge factor built in to my schedule anyway.

 

[imacdog]

When I flew cargo I got into a split schedule too. I was "hub" based and the only way to get stuff done at home sometimes was to stay up late and make up for lost sleep at the outstation. It did help the long sits go by quicker, that's for sure. Fortunately I was working four days a week so I was able to switch back to a normal schedule for the weekends. I don't know how sustainable a split schedule is but it seemed to work for the seven months that I flew freight.

 

[psysicx]

There looking for a EMB pilot out of Santa Maria. Would upgrade to the left seat in 120 be under 4yrs?

 

[time builder]

Two actually, its a new route, class date is Aug 21. I believe they like EMB captains to have about 3000 hours, you might be able to upgrade in 2 years, but there's so few EMB's its hard to determine patterns for upgrading.

 

[psysicx]

So will they hire under 1200hrs into the Bro?

 

[Tryful]

yes they will

 

[bbq smoker]

What's competitive for those slots? TT, ME, Turbine Time, etc...

 

[DirtyBeech]

That's a hard one to answer. I've seen some guys submit resumes with 6-700 hours on them, and I think one of our West Texas guys got in the Bro with 800ish. Ofcourse, he was a PA31 instructor with us prior to being an EMB pilot so that helps. If you're really wanting to get on with us prior to getting your 1200, then I'd recommend trying to get in our instructor program in Burbank. It wasn't around back when I came through Indoc, but I might have gone that route if given the choice. Where are your times at now?

 

[Tryful]

Yeah I'd have to go with Dirty Beech on that answer as well it can vary alot. I know they are seeking to fill the spot in Santa Maria pretty badly. I would bet if you have a nice chunk of multi time and are willing to commit to that spot, they would be willing to give you a shot. I'm not sure.

But like mentioned before becoming a training captain here is a sure way to get in before your 1200. And as far as I just found out we could possibly be looking for a few here shortly. Worth a shot.

Oh and hey Dirty beech, if that f/o on the embraer is mr. holden be sure to tell him Tyler said hi!