American and USAIR

[Old School 737]

CNBC just said the two are in talks. And a marketing alliance between Continental and American could also be a player.

 

[XShuttle]

I just saw that too. First time I have heard AA/LCC.

Reuters
American Airlines in talks with Continental and US Airways
Friday April 25, 3:51 pm ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - American Airlines (NYSE:AMR - News) has had early-stage merger talks with US Airways (NYSE:LCC - News) and is in advanced talks for an alliance with Continental Airlines (NYSE:CAL - News), sources briefed on the situation said. American Airlines' talks with Continental are focused on forming an alliance. Meanwhile. Continental is in advanced merger talks with United Airlines (NasdaqGS:UAUA - News).

 

[Dr. Rumack]

Thats going to be one BIG staple.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

It's Last Call, things are getting hazy in the light. Your cab hasn't arrived and that "thin, hottie" at the end of the bar needs attention.

Can you believe she's all alone? Some guys have all the luck.

 

[njcapt]

It's Last Call, things are getting hazy in the light. Your cab hasn't arrived and that "thin, hottie" at the end of the bar needs attention.

Can you believe she's all alone? Some guys have all the luck.

Careful. That may be Da Trannie.

 

[TWA Dude]

Talk, talk, talk. Everybody's been talkin' to everybody else. Big Deal. I'll worry about it when there's an actual announcement.

 

[BID]

Remember when just a couple of weeks ago Delta was talking to Continental. I guess the board needs a full report, and want to make sure all angles of different deals were approached? So if Continental is talking to American, etc. that only tells me that the deal with United has a good chance of becoming a reality. IMHO

But I must say there sure were a lot more leaks in the Delta deal, maybe they really were trying to feed Wall Street? Continental on the other hand, is know to keep things quiet.

 

[On Your Six]

What would happen to the furloughed AA pilots? Would they, like the furloughed Easties, be stapled at the bottom? Would Parker/Arpy move the HQ to DFW or stay in PHX?

Ooooohhhhh boy, this summer of consolidation is gonna be interesting...

 

[MCDU]

Doh for all AMR pilots with fences and protections for want you bring to the table

 

[TWA Dude]

What would happen to the furloughed AA pilots?

As usual, thrown under the bus.

Would they, like the furloughed Easties, be stapled at the bottom?

Depends who makes the decision. If it's the APA, no, if it's an arbitrator, probably yes.

Would Parker/Arpy move the HQ to DFW or stay in PHX?

AA would be the dominant carrier so DFW it is.

 

[BIGGOAT]

If history repeats then take all of their equipment, staple, downsize then furlough! That is the AAmerican way to cut capacity.

Goat

 

[johnsonrod]

Imagine the $hitkicker Parker would throw after getting his huge merger bonus and severence......... Beers for everyone in the airline!

 

[TWA Dude]

Parker's ego is too big to let him give up control. He'd rather have power than moeny.

 

[Deadalus]

The rumor I heard was American-US Airways merger followed with an aquisition of Alaska. That's would be just great. Two destroyed good airlines AWA and Alaska and the remaining airline populated by Eastholes and Sky nazis. Yuck!

 

[AAflyer]

The rumor I heard was American-US Airways merger followed with an aquisition of Alaska. That's would be just great. Two destroyed good airlines AWA and Alaska and the remaining airline populated by Eastholes and Sky nazis. Yuck!

Yup,

Feeling is mutual. I do not want to get near the goat screw you got going on in PHX... I was going to say it is amusing watching from the sidelines......but it isn't.. It is pretty sad.

No routes we need, no Boeings we need, and a bunch of pissed off pilots.

Believe me.. I pray just like you that this never happens.

AAflyer


Oppsss almost forgot... "Sky Nazis' How original.
That is ok.. I have been called worse.

 

[Deadalus]

And 300+ piece of garbage MD-80s we definitely don't need.

 

[AAflyer]

And 300+ piece of garbage MD-80s we definitely don't need.

Touche,

Actually we are accelerating the delivery of 70+ 737s the next couple years.

Good luck over, like I said. I do not think there is one pilot over here remotely excited about this rumor. Lets hope that is all it is.


AAflyer

 

[Soulfly]

Nevermind... It would be wasted breath...

 

[bigtexpilot]

Yup,

Feeling is mutual. I do not want to get near the goat screw you got going on in PHX... I was going to say it is amusing watching from the sidelines......but it isn't.. It is pretty sad.

No routes we need, no Boeings we need, and a bunch of pissed off pilots.

Believe me.. I pray just like you that this never happens.

AAflyer


Oppsss almost forgot... "Sky Nazis' How original.
That is ok.. I have been called worse.

Hey I have never jumpseated on a better airline. I'm always treated great by the flight deck and cabin crew, as long as I can get by the gate nazis.

 

[FDJ2]

CNBC just said the two are in talks. And a marketing alliance between Continental and American could also be a player.

No worries, USAPA has the USAIRWAYS guys covered. DOH or bust.:laugh:

Good luck to the West guys.

 

[Soulfly]

..........

 

[Contract]

If this goes down the USAIR East guys will finally have to come to terms with the senority list that was determined in arbitration. It will be justice served in an expeditious manner. They will forever be remembered for what they tried to do to a minority group of hard working pilots and an industry labor union for their own personal gain. Shame will follow them forever! They know this deep down inside as one pilot who flies for them recently told me. He is ashamed to be associated with these UNION BUSTING THUGS!

 

[eaglefly]

If this goes down the USAIR East guys will finally have to come to terms with the senority list that was determined in arbitration. It will be justice served in an expeditious manner. They will forever be remembered for what they tried to do to a minority group of hard working pilots and an industry labor union for their own personal gain. Shame will follow them forever! They know this deep down inside as one pilot who flies for them recently told me. He is ashamed to be associated with these UNION BUSTING THUGS!

This merger wont happen. The U situation brings more bad than good. U should be left alone to collapse by itself. As long as Parker succumbs to the east coast terrorists, then this outfit is doomed.

AA would be better off with al-queada members flying its aircraft then al-usapa. Too much overlap in this merger would make it a tough sell.

All things considered, I think UAL and CAL will jump in bed together shortly and give AA just enough off their plate to make regulators happy and that will be it.

These mergers wont solve the industrys problems, only the elimination of one of the future "big four". UAL, AA, and DAL will survive, but U/AWA will collpase and be picked apart by the others. The LCC's will have SWA and Airtran and perhaps Virgin America among its survivors, but JetBlue will flop by the end of the year at the latest. The LCC's wont be LCC's anymore as their prices will be very close to the majors. Alaska might remain stand alone as will a few other carrirs serving regions (gee........a "regional airline"). RJ's, especially <50 seaters will be dramatically reduced (not eliminated) in favor of more 70-90 seaters, but the overall RJ fleet count will be substantially less.

 

[jws717]

This merger wont happen. The U situation brings more bad than good. U should be left alone to collapse by itself. As long as Parker succumbs to the east coast terrorists, then this outfit is doomed.

AA would be better off with al-queada members flying its aircraft then al-usapa. Too much overlap in this merger would make it a tough sell.

All things considered, I think UAL and CAL will jump in bed together shortly and give AA just enough off their plate to make regulators happy and that will be it.

These mergers wont solve the industrys problems, only the elimination of one of the future "big four". UAL, AA, and DAL will survive, but U/AWA will collpase and be picked apart by the others. The LCC's will have SWA and Airtran and perhaps Virgin America among its survivors, but JetBlue will flop by the end of the year at the latest. The LCC's wont be LCC's anymore as their prices will be very close to the majors. Alaska might remain stand alone as will a few other carrirs serving regions (gee........a "regional airline"). RJ's, especially <50 seaters will be dramatically reduced (not eliminated) in favor of more 70-90 seaters, but the overall RJ fleet count will be substantially less.

Where are you getting this stuff? Have you even looked at the latest quarterly earnings reports? Jet Blue almost broke even with only an 8 mil loss. US had a loss half that of UAL and a fraction of NWA or DAL. Why would Jet blue go under and Virgin America not?

 

[bubbers44]

Until we start bringing down the price of oil by producing more here in the US, why would American want to increase their present problems by a merger? That huge deep down oil in Montana and North Dakota can now be brought up with the higher oil prices and modern drilling techniques. Delta and Northwest lost 10 billion dollars last quarter. How long can that go on?

 

[Occam's Razor]

Under USAPA Merger Policy, it would go to....wait for it....binding arbitration!

 

[johnsonrod]

Where do the former TWA pilots fit in the mix of a potential merger?

 

[LaGarbage Man]

"AA would be better off with al-queada members flying its aircraft then al-usapa."

As a witness to the events in NY on 9/11 and seeing first hand the results of actual terrorist at the controls of an airliner, I think I can say that you sir are an idiot of the highest caliber. The stupidity that I witness on this board never ceases to amaze.

 

[Occam's Razor]

"AA would be better off with al-queada members flying its aircraft then al-usapa."

As a witness to the events in NY on 9/11 and seeing first hand the results of actual terrorist at the controls of an airliner, I think I can say that you sir are an idiot of the highest caliber. The stupidity that I witness on this board never ceases to amaze.

As a witness to several presentations by comedians and others who use the farcical and absurd to provoke thought or laughter, I think I can say that you sir, should switch to de-caf.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

As I always enjoy your informational post Occam, I will take your advice under advisement. Maybe a compromise? I will start with 1/2 caf and then try to come off the hard stuff in steps. Twelve steps to be exact.