American and American Eagle

[777lover]

If you get hired by American Airlines will you go to American Eagle before you get to fly mainline on American Airlines, or are they separate in their hiring? And, AA has a preferential hiring agreement with AE, correct?

 

[holdon]

seperate hiring

 

[jetexas]

AA actually prefers 'not' to hire AE pilots. I guess they don't want the increased training costs to replace the Eagle guys (who will leave anyway, so it's silly).
There is a flowthrough/flowback agreement which is essentially used as a recruiting tool. It has, thus far, failed the expectations and impressions of both AA and AE pilots miserably.

 

[JohnDoe]

That flow-through (the preferential hiring you mentioned) never really worked the way it was supposed to. 1 out of every 2 new-hire positions at AA were supposed to be offered to Eagle "CJ" captains. It was never anywhere near that.


Also with respect to the "flow-through" agreement, and I might be wrong on this (please correct me if I am), but I believe that agreement expires in 2006-7?? So, by the time AA recalls all furloughs and starts to hire again, the flow-through will be no more.

 

[jetexas]

It seems silly that AE and AA are concerned more about what each other are doing than what the competition is doing. If we were all working together, this place could be unstoppable..under proper leadership of course.

 

[PacoPollo]

The flow thru was a joke. For instance AE turned down a flow back C5A airforce type because he didn't have 3000 total AC hours and was considered unqualified. The whole thing is a joke. My buddy has decided to take a job setting up irrigation rather that fly for AE wages as an RJ Capt at $50 something/hour.
The relationship between AA and AE reminds me of the Israeli/Palestinian problem. Maybe Arafat could resolve the problems at AMR.

The 3000 total AC is for everyone NO EXCEPTIONS doesnt matter what previous experience, C5A time who Cares!! He didnt make the cut. Lots of FlowbAAcks are having a hard time training at Eagle. No CRM skills, No CA leadership, bad judgement etc. The less of them here the better.

 

[IB6 UB9]

I don't want to ruffle your feathers or anything but your remark sounds like someone didn't do too well at the AA interview.

 

[PacoPollo]

But you are missing the point, regardless of how competent an aviator you think he is the fact is that he is a MAJOR airline pilot, you are not, he will eventually return to his career as a MAJOR airline pilot, you will not!

I think you are the one missing the point here son.
Your current position posted explains it all.

 

[PacoPollo]

And you are stupid enough to believe that is my real current position?

Ohhh thats right you fly the slotation...the NearJet!

wow im impressed!

 

[777lover]

Thanks fellas, I appreciate it.

 

[eaglefly]

Hostage, your so full of s%&t your eyes are brown.

It's pompous, knothead a*&holes like you that help maintain the image of the AA pilot as ......well on equal footing with the KKK, Third Reich and Al-Queada.

The first two classes of your fellow pompous idiots have failed miserably.

2 out of the first 8 are in IOE (a couple more will limp there soon).

Of the next ten, 5 busted their types.

(these are being observed by the FAA to insure no improprieties by Eagle check airman and SEVERAL 709 rides have been given with a few even failing that).

- Pushing back from the gate with the GPU still attached.

- Forgetting to set MAP alt. in the ACU and flying into the ground on a missed approach ( and subsequently blaming his F/O for not reminding him).

- A faliure rate 7 times that of anything our training dept. has EVER seen.

In fact, I'm told now that the APA is being charged for the "no-shows".

It's people like you (and them) we DON'T need at Eagle to jeopardize our customers lives and our jobs.

There efforts at Home Depot and Lowes would be doing ALL of us a favor in the long run.

Your Fuhrer, Johnnie would be pleased.

Ask them to goosestep over there and complain, why don't you. At least they won't have to demonstrate there ability (or lack of it) under pressure (AA "train to proficiency", LOL).

* though I work a bit of OT, my W-2 will be about 108K this year, so I guess I'm just a peon "bringing down the profession".

Lick my left one, buddy.

 

[eaglefly]

Never said that at all.

Do me a favor and please tell your sister to file down her buck teeth - It hurt when her head was going back and forth.

 

[pipejockey]

The people who were saying the flow-through never worked I think are missing an important point. I may be wrong but consider this....the way the flow-thru was explained to me indicated that an Eagle pilot was given a seniority # at AA upon upgrading to Jet Captain at Eagle. After 2 years as Jet Captain he would be given the oppurtunity to flow-thru to AA if AA was hiring, of course.


Bear in mind, that AA has not hired since 9/10/2001. The only Eagle pilots at that time that would have qualified for the flow-thru would have had to have upgraded to Eagle Jet Captain on 9/10/1999. How many Jets did Eagle have at that time? Not nearly as many as today.

Now consider the last full year that AA actively hired....9/10/2000 to 9/10/2001....a pilot flowing thru to AA on 9/10/2000 would have only been at AA a year but would have had to have upgraded to Jet Captain at Eagle on 9/10/1998. Look and see how many Jets Eagle had in 1998 and I think youll find they had very few. And I'm sure a lot of Eagle Captains decided they were satisfied in their current position and did not flow thru.

Any feedback from someone in the know, would be appreciated. If I'm wrong please school me on the matter.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

If you get hired by American Airlines will you go to American Eagle before you get to fly mainline on American Airlines, or are they separate in their hiring? And, AA has a preferential hiring agreement with AE, correct?

AA and Eagle guys are still on furlough (Lots and Lots of AA guys). You won't see hiring at AA for a very, very long time with the number of furloughes. So the rules will probably change. You may have to be hired at Eagle to go to AA at some point. Don't know.

For now, try not to get AA and AE guys in into the same thread. Bloodshed is the result.

 

[G4G5]

"on equal footing with the KKK, Third Reich and Al-Queada"

"tell your sister to file down her buck teeth - It hurt when her head was going back and forth"

TRULY PATHETIC

 

[Heavy Set]

This thread is getting worse than most Delta/Comair threads.... Hey Citationman, lighten up a bit - never wish anything negative on a fellow pilot who is down/furloughed - not very professional...

 

[G4G5]

You will never see another Eagle Pilot flow through to AA main line again.

With 2458 pilots on furlough ALL of them need to be recalled before any of the current Eagle pilots with seniority numbers can excerise their AA seniority number.

Assuming the last AA pilots furloughed will be the 255 on 3/02/04. Lets say recalls start a year later, 4/01/05 at a constant rate of 30 pilots per month. That's almost 7 years before everyone is recalled. That would be approx 1/1/12 before AA ever hires another pilot off the street.

Now add in the 400 or so Eagle pilots with AA mainline numbers, who would have to be brought over. 400/30 per month, adds another year before another Eagle pilot ever flows through again.

Sure not all 2458 will come back but ask yourself what type of ecomic climate would have to exist for AA to recall a constant 30 pilots for 7 years? What about age 63 or AA switching to preferencial bidding?

By the time 2012 and beyond rolls around how many of those 400 Eagle captains will be willing to take an ERJ170 right seat job for JetBlue pay rates?

With the way the current AA flow backs are being treated. You have seen your last Eagle flow through.

 

[pipejockey]

Hey Hostage,

Why all the hostility? I'm not about to say your anger is not justified, but taking what you said at face value, about flying the most sophisticated equipment at your airline and only working 9 days a month and watching your retirement grow...I ask again whats with the hostility? You should be thankful for what you have and maybe have some sympathy for those who have not.

And unless you came from the military, you did not jump directly to the right seat of a major airlines epuipment. How do us peons get to a major if we do not start at the regional level?

And as somebody who is in the position I'd like to be when I reach my 50's, what is your advice for getting there without working for a regional?

 

[PacoPollo]

I will be the first to admit my flying skills are down. That happens when you are flying the largest Jet on the best routes at your airline and only working 9 days a month. Gotta go, my broker just called to tell me how much my 401K, A Fund, B Fund and IRAs went up today. Maybe when you get a paying job you will learn what that means instead of flying around for peanuts so some management Puke can collect on your future.

AArogance at its finest!

 

[resistance]

Gentlemen;

Hostage you are the reason why APA and AA are doomed for failure. It is your ego and pathetic arrogance that will topple your house of cards. I bet for a million dollars that you were part of the 69 percent that voted yes for your quest for the bottom of the pay scales..... am I right??

Let me fill in to all our viewers out there...

"AMERICAN AIRLINES PILOTS ARE THE LOWEST PAID PILOTS IN THE INDUSTRY.....AMERICA WEST PILOTS MAKE MORE PER HOUR THAN APA PILOTS"

That is a fact!

Before you APA pricks "defend the profession" anymore you should think about the facts of history of other failed carriers because your number is right around the corner.....

Be grateful for your job and your lifestyle. Don't be arrogant. That type of behavior will only isolate you from all other pilots abroad.

My apology for the hostilities here but some Eagle guys have been in the corner with a chair and a whip for too many years.