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American Airlines May Need More Concessions
Friday March 18, 10:43 pm ET

American Airlines May Need More Worker Concessions Due to Cash Crunch, Agency Says


FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) -- A cash crunch could force American Airlines to seek more employee concessions by year's end, a credit ratings agency has warned.

The report was issued this week by Chicago-based Fitch Ratings, which lowered its outlook on American's debt to "negative" from "stable." The firm predicted Fort Worth-based American's cash reserve could get squeezed in 2006 unless fuel prices drop, costs go down or revenue improves.

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"American again faces extreme cost challenges this year," Fitch analyst William Warlick said in the report, noting that airfares are unlikely to increase and fuel prices are expected to remain high. "Large operating losses this year will lead to heightened liquidity pressures moving into 2006."

Other major carriers, such as Continental Airlines Inc. and Northwest Airlines, have moved to reduce labor costs. That could force American to follow suit to remain competitive, Warlick said, mentioning changes to American's pensions as a possibility.

Reopening collective bargaining agreements probably would not be popular with labor leaders, as officials with American's unions have said they aren't interested in discussing further cuts in wages or benefits.

"We're not inclined to talk about any more concessions," said Jim Little, international executive vice president of the Transport Workers Union of America, which represents mechanics and ground workers.

No concession plans are on the table, American officials said.

"We've said we would look under every stone and around every corner to lower our operating costs," said Tim Wagner, an American spokesman. "We've expressed no desire to go back to employees for more cost savings."

But he said, "Our labor groups understand the head winds we're facing, especially with extremely high fuel costs."

Earlier this week, American and the presidents of its three major labor unions came together to ask Congress for pension relief.

The airline and union presidents said Wednesday that companies should get more time to make up unfunded liabilities in their pension plans and companies.

They also said companies that freeze plans through negotiations with workers should get relief over companies that terminate plans in bankruptcy.

Other carriers, including Delta Air Lines Inc. and bankrupt US Airways Group Inc., have sought to freeze or terminate defined-benefit plans in favor trying to shed its plans, which would be taken over by the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., the federal agency that insures defined-benefit pensions. Workers and retirees could receive 20 to 50 percent less in benefits than they were promised by United.

American, a unit of Fort Worth-based AMR Corp., was joined by the Allied Pilots Association, the Association of Professional Flight Attendants, and the Transport Workers Union, which represents American's mechanics, ramp workers and other employees
 
I say take a huge pay to entice a 30% growth over the next 5 years and force the weakest competors out.
 
Flying the Line said:
I say take a huge pay to entice a 30% growth over the next 5 years and force the weakest competors out.

That happened with our giveaway in 2003. Problem is that the wrong part of AMR grows. The 20 cent per seat mile fee-for-departure Eagle has see double-digit growth and AA has furloughed 2800 pilots.

Unit
 
That 20 cents per seat mile is a bit misleading.

How many of American's 300+ MD80s have 20-30 minute legs? If you flew ORD-PIA all day on MD80s, what do you suppose the seat per mile would be then?

Let's also add that Eagle has taken back lots of American pilots. We're not exactly a parasite.
 
labbats said:
Let's also add that Eagle has taken back lots of American pilots. We're not exactly a parasite.

Eagle isnt doing that out of the kindness of their hearts. It was signed into contract and Eagle had no choice but to accept the flowbacks. You want credit for something you were/are obligated to uphold via the contract?
 
AMRCostUnit said:
That happened with our giveaway in 2003. Problem is that the wrong part of AMR grows. The 20 cent per seat mile fee-for-departure Eagle has see double-digit growth and AA has furloughed 2800 pilots.

Unit

That was in response to this. I believe Eagle was being singled out as a problem. I beg to differ. No one is winning anything right now.
 
Flying the Line said:
I say take a huge pay to entice a 30% growth over the next 5 years and force the weakest competors out.


Yeah, that's smart.:rolleyes:

What's your plan when your competition does the same thing? Because that is exactly what would happen.

Hell, American's B737-800 pay is the same as AirTran. You want to take 30% off of that?
 
"No concession plans are on the table........"

"We've expressed no desire to go back to employees for more cost savings."

"Our labor groups understand the head winds we're facing.........."

Ah, but here within lies the beauty of the "new relationship". One ASSociation in particular is expected to recognize the difficulty the company the faces, thanks mainly to its own inept management practices, and come to the table with its own "contract enhancements" without being asked. Gotta "save the company" ya know.............
 
Ty Webb said:
Yeah, that's smart.:rolleyes:

What's your plan when your competition does the same thing? Because that is exactly what would happen.

Hell, American's B737-800 pay is the same as AirTran. You want to take 30% off of that?

Still sore not having been hired by a major. Comparing critter to AA is moronic at best. Cheers.

(SWA ran off the runway in BUR....GREAT airline though)
 
Mr.B said:
Comparing critter to AA is moronic at best.

Yeah, one actually turns a profit occasionally. I'll let you guess which one. :rolleyes:
 
Didn't AA reduce ticket prices recently? Why? Airplanes are full. Isn't this directly opposite the basic laws of supply and demand? Employees subsidising fare wares. It HAS to stop.
 
My theory on that is they are in with Delta to try and drive UAL and US out with this recent fare war. Thing is, "now" Northwest has finally decide to raise fares.
Low fares don't make any sense otherwise. Flights are full and overbooked on many markets. That alone indicates prices too low. When it's cheaper to fly than to drive or ride greyhound, there's a problem.
 
Dangerkitty said:
Eagle isnt doing that out of the kindness of their hearts. It was signed into contract and Eagle had no choice but to accept the flowbacks. You want credit for something you were/are obligated to uphold via the contract?

how convenient the "contract" is upheld on this end, but not the other. wasn't it supposed to be 2 to 1 back in the late 90's? what was it 15 to 1?

face it.....AA needs AE and vice versa.
 
CitationLover said:
face it.....AA needs AE and vice versa.

AA needs AE but not near the amount you guys think we do. AE continues to be a money drain on AMR. The RJ's just can't make money and this Fee for Departure BS has got to go.
 
Dangerkitty said:
AA needs AE but not near the amount you guys think we do. AE continues to be a money drain on AMR. The RJ's just can't make money and this Fee for Departure BS has got to go.

i doubt this. perhaps spending $450/mil for two gates from TWA then buying TWA for the same amount had more to do w/ AMR's predicament than Eagle.
 
[SARCASM] I'm shocked none of you guys get it. The purchase of TWA is the real reason for the decline of AA. In fact, the purchase of TWA by American is the real reason the whole industry is in decline!!![/SARCASM]
 
Why don't you American guys just admit that your cost structure is not set up right in todays market? That is not your fault or Eagles fault but rather that of AMR Corperate. Taking on a terd like TWA was a mistake as was admitted to by your own down here in Dallas. With that said, if you guys want to return to top, I think you need to look within and not against your pilot groups. Do you realize what kind of power you would have if Eagle and AA pilots would link up and force change? I do believe that you guys need a little shot of reality and that is if you don't force your company to alter course and right the ship, it is the little guys who will bring you down more than they already have. Do something or the Air Trans of the world will be bragging in your face.
 

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