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Captzaahlie

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BLAH,BLAH,BLAH.......

March 28, 2008
Unanimously votes that representatives failed to fulfill basic duties of office

New resolutions to shoot any Alpa member who dislikes any Alpa policy or complains about the way union dollars are spent for "provisions" while Alpa meetings convene.... Furthermore and where as to let it be known and resolved that anyone who is not drinking the Alpa cool aide is now labeled a "scab"............

LET THE INFIGHTING CONTINUE MANAGEMENT LIKES TO SEE THE TOTAL LACK OF UNITY :eek:


The ALPA Executive Board met in Washington, D.C., today, and unanimously affirmed the trusteeship of Local Council 41, which represents US Airways pilots based in Philadelphia. The vote came after a lengthy hearing and subsequent discussion among Executive Board members. The hearing was held under the authority of the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws. The case for trusteeship was presented by First Vice-President Capt. Paul Rice and the former council officers were represented in opposition to trusteeship by US Airways pilot Capt. Tracy Parrella, a former MEC Grievance Chairman.
The practical effect of the vote is to leave the council in trusteeship, continue to bar its former officers from serving, and leave the three appointed trustees in place. Three Philadelphia-based US Airways pilots currently serve as trustees, with the full duty and ability to represent ALPA members of Local Council 41 – with the exception that they cannot vote at governing bodies meetings.
Today’s meeting was held as an NMB-run representation election for the pilots of US Airways, from the former America West and US Airways pilot groups, was underway. The election will conclude on April 17. The Executive Board will review the need to continue the trusteeship at its May 2008 regular meeting unless terminated prior to that meeting.
The first resolution included the following points:
  1. Former Local Council 41 Chairman and Captain Representative Eric A. Rowe, former Local Council 41 Vice Chairman and First Officer Representative David E. Ciabattoni, and former Local Council 41 Secretary Treasurer James P. Portale have been charged with supporting USAPA and not supporting ALPA in connection with the NMB representation election announced on February 19, 2008, and taking place between March 20, 2008 and April 17, 2008, in which USAPA is seeking to oust ALPA as the US Airways pilot bargaining representative; and with refusing to recommend in writing to the members of Local Council 41 that they vote for ALPA in the NMB representation election, and
  2. The former officers of Local Council 41 were provided with due notice of the Executive Board meeting and the opportunity for a full and fair hearing before the Executive Board concerning the trusteeship; and
  3. The evidence presented at the hearing shows that the former Local Council 41 officers, while holding office as ALPA representatives, and during the period that USAPA was seeking to oust ALPA as the US Airways pilots’ bargaining representative, made statements and issued communications to the members of Local Council 41 and other US Airways pilots that repeatedly attacked ALPA and praised USAPA; and
  4. In light of the overwhelming documentary evidence supporting the continuation of the trusteeship and demeanor of the witnesses, the explanations offered by Captain Ciabattoni and Captain Rowe for their continuing pattern of communications and activities are not credible, and
  5. The evidence presented at the hearing shows that, despite the President’s request in his February 29, 2008 notice of charges that the Local Council 41 officers provide a statement that they support ALPA in the NMB representation election, oppose USAPA and would urge the pilots in writing to vote for ALPA, the Local Council 41 officers failed and refused to provide such a statement; and
  6. By failing to support ALPA and by supporting USAPA in connection with the representation election, the former officers of Local Council 41 have engaged in a substantial failure to perform significant legal and representational duties of a bargaining representative within the meaning of Article XIX, Section 1.A. By this conduct, they have exposed the Association to detrimental consequences, namely, the potential loss of ALPA’s representation rights at US Airways; and
  7. For these reasons, the trusteeship of Local Council 41 is justified under Article XIX of the Constitution and By-Laws.
A second resolution said:
  1. The Executive Board, acting with firm resolve for the welfare of the members and to protect the integrity of ALPA representation, recognizing that action to impose a trusteeship within ALPA is taken reluctantly but out of necessity to protect the membership and the Association, hereby affirms the decision of the President and Executive Council establishing the trusteeship of Local Council 41, and
  2. The trusteeship shall continue, subject to appeal under Article XIX, Section 2.A., until terminated pursuant to Article XIX, Section 4 of the Constitution and By-Laws, and
  3. The need for continuation of the trusteeship be considered by the Executive Board at its May 2008 regular meeting unless terminated prior to then, and
  4. The Executive Board expresses its full support for the US Airways pilot group (both former East and West) and respectfully requests their support for ALPA to bring about a better future for all US Airways pilots and their families.
 
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,,and you can thank your east coast buddies for that.
Anyway,shouldn't you be reviewiing limitatations, or something like that, instead of wasting time on this absolutly useless webboard ?:rolleyes:

PHXFLYR:cool:
 
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C41 is the least of your worries.

USAPA has serious finance issues. Even if you are successful, the lawsuits from the Westies, black hole effort by Parker to BK your union and the lack of financial support from within your own ranks will seriously cripple USAPA to a crawl...if not halt.

Then Parker will enjoy a lame duck or a non represented pilot group.

If I were a USAPA officer the liability via personal litagation would scare the hel! out of me....
 
,,and you can thank your east coast buddies for that.
Anyway,shouldn't you be reviewiing limitatations, or something like that, instead of wasting time on this absolutly useless webboard ?:rolleyes:

PHXFLYR:cool:

You are absolutely right and I will be bailing out to to memorize a few more things. I'm on this board for the comic relief and to try and catch up on what is going on in our "lovely" industry.
Could a solution to this Alpa vs. Usapa thing be settled with going to a third already established union (I don't care who, but lets pick the TWU just for examples sake.) and start over from square one? Just a thought to try and settle all the bitch biting......
 
C41 is the least of your worries.

USAPA has serious finance issues. Even if you are successful, the lawsuits from the Westies, black hole effort by Parker to BK your union and the lack of financial support from within your own ranks will seriously cripple USAPA to a crawl...if not halt.

Then Parker will enjoy a lame duck or a non represented pilot group.

If I were a USAPA officer the liability via personal litagation would scare the hel! out of me....

....actually they're probably screwed either way.....Even with ALPA I don't see much unity....especially when Nic gets implemented....They will be a house divided either way....
 
....actually they're probably screwed either way.....Even with ALPA I don't see much unity....especially when Nic gets implemented....They will be a house divided either way....

That's exactly why both should be jettisoned.....
 
March 28, 2008
Unanimously votes that representatives failed to fulfill basic duties of office ...


LET THE INFIGHTING CONTINUE MANAGEMENT LIKES TO SEE THE TOTAL LACK OF UNITY :eek:
The ALPA Executive Board consists of all the MEC chairs from all the ALPA carriers. Them voting unanimously sounds like unity to me -- unity against the C41 outlaws. Can't blame Prater, can't blame Nicolau, can't blame any consipiracy. The lack of unity comes from only one place: the USAirways East pilots.
 
That's exactly why both should be jettisoned.....

....you can't jettison BOTH at this point.....I would start with ALPA....My guess is ALPA will get serious about the seniority issue that divides all of us when carriers start to leave....

The problem is seniority and how to deal with it.....There has to be some new thinking on seniority.....
 
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The problem is seniority and how to deal with it.....There has to be some new thinking on seniority.....


Sure...

And while we are working on it... let's understand that it is a difficult problem with no easy answers.. for if there were, we'd be enjoying the solution...

Thus, let's understand reality and stick together, work together...

Got any ideas on the seniority problem Joe? Any new thinking?
 
Sure...

And while we are working on it... let's understand that it is a difficult problem with no easy answers.. for if there were, we'd be enjoying the solution...

Thus, let's understand reality and stick together, work together...

Got any ideas on the seniority problem Joe? Any new thinking?


This is the track that everyone needs to get on.......
 
Well one things for sure as I see it, there is no new thinking of any kind from the hair club for men gone awry and his gay boy lawyer.

Well, wait a minute, there is new thinking with usapa. They plan to go to Parker with a way for him to keep his costs and our wages down at the same time, while reordering a seniority list they don't like. Yep, as far as unions go, that is new thinking. To bad it goes against everything unions stand for as far as bringing the working man up, and is also a little less than honorable or smart.

As if that isn't enough, they don't even have a clue as to how they would accomplish that. A complete and disorganized shot in the dark. After their plan blows up in their face and the company starts having its way with us, usapa will have taken us back, oh I don't know, about 70 years or so.
 
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National Seniority List or status quo

National and ultimately with a global economy possibly a worldwide seniority list!

This WILL solve every whipsaw conflict.

This WILL provide stability and more ability to anticipate an individual's future in the industry.

This WILL be as easy to accomplish as giving birth to a basketball from one's bum.

Nothing great ever came easy. Consider the founding of this country. Maybe we could accomplish it without killing anyone, but don't bet on it.

If we don't make this happen, we WILL continue our trajectory (consistently sinking into the abyss to the point that only college boys with parental sponsors can afford or desire to work as airline pilots)
 
National and ultimately with a global economy possibly a worldwide seniority list!

This WILL solve every whipsaw conflict.

This WILL provide stability and more ability to anticipate an individual's future in the industry.

This WILL be as easy to accomplish as giving birth to a basketball from one's bum.

Nothing great ever came easy. Consider the founding of this country. Maybe we could accomplish it without killing anyone, but don't bet on it.

If we don't make this happen, we WILL continue our trajectory (consistently sinking into the abyss to the point that only college boys with parental sponsors can afford or desire to work as airline pilots)


The Best time to implement a National Seniority list is during the growth phase.... when everyone is hiring... yet there will still be many questions...

However, all of those who are calling for a National Senioirty list today... are doing so because of the personal setback... thus, when the growth arrives and descetionary income is back with GA planes bought, new golf/country club memberships bought and boats and houses too.... you can bet the National Sen. list will be forgotten....


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