ALPA / TSA / GoJet video.

[Beaver_Liquors]

I am not a future scab but at the same time I think the Unions need to jump on board with the idea that Airlines need to be profitable first. Without that then no one gets to work.

Research... then post. Its like me trying to talk about how wall street brokers need to make sure you make a profit on your investment before they get their commision. Just Dumb

do you know how much a TSA FO doesnt get paid, and these GO-Jet guys are going to be paid substatially less and work much more.

beav

 

[FirstMate]

TRUCKDRIVER

All you have to do is look at how far computer have come in the last 30 years imagine where they will be in the 30 more. My comment on the HOBBY category for flying is that there are people to put up with low pay because they enjoy the work. These pilots are the reason why the pay is so low. If you dont like that they you dont like capitalism you would prefer a socialist system where pay is artifically kept high. Also flying proffessionally is a choice if they pay doesnt meet your needs change your needs or change your proffesion the choice is yours. Dont make the companies trying to be profitable to pay you what you think you deserve. If you wont do it at that price someone else as qualified as you are will. They should go as low as they can, welcome to capitalism.

First of all, work on your English. It is very difficult to comprehend what you're trying to say, but I'll attempt at a rebuttal. We deserve a hell of a lot more than what we are receiving. This isn't a hobby. It is a career that very many have worked hard to achieve at a profesional level. I for one have no idea what I would do if I wasn't able to fly as a professional. This job is like any other job where people chose to do a a certain task in which they enjoy and make a living off of. As previoulsy stated, this is the only industry where the airline mgt is willing to lower costs through employee consessions. The supply/demand concept is defunct in this industry.

 

[voteno]

I am not a future scab but at the same time I think the Unions need to jump on board with the idea that Airlines need to be profitable first. Without that then no one gets to work.

Is daddy a CAL pilot close to retirement? You could not have picked a better time to have 300 hours! Go for it dude!

 

[N8Dogg]

It is kind of nice to see ALPA and especially DW rolling up thier sleeves and fighting for the regional guys in public. Hopefully we will see more of this in the future.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I am not a future scab but at the same time I think the Unions need to jump on board with the idea that Airlines need to be profitable first. Without that then no one gets to work.

And its all the union's fault that the airlines aren't making a profit right? I mean, us overpaid RJ pilots will be the downfall of our companies. There's no way in hell that the management groups with their giant salaries and multi-million dollar golden parachutes could be dragging things down at all.

 

[LJDRVR]

Management is not the enemy of a companies success. Managements primary goal is to make money.

Dude, what planet are you living on? You obviously don't understand the first thing about airline history or economics

They are dutybound to the shareholders of the company.

Wow, somebody took a business course in college. Good for you! Management also has a moral obligation to employees, specifically to provide a working environment where there is fair pay, proper treatment, and a disinclination to do anything that would compromise safety or build the company on the backs of the workers. By doing this, leadership creates a safe stable career and home for the employees, who in turn will most certainly take care of the stockholders. Some airlines have figured this out. Unfortunately, gross malfeasance, lack of integrity and simple inability to live up to contractual obligations, (promises) make organized labor at the airlines totally necesary, even in the year 2005.

The fact that the pilot proffession has such extremes in pay is unfortunate and the result of turning a hobby being a proffession.

First, learn how to spell, then learn about grammar and usage. Most importantly, if you're going to come on here and tell us professional pilots how our industry works and why we're underpaid, you might want to understand a little bit about it first. You don't. Trust me on this.

But I predict that in a few more decades pilots will become irrelevant as automation takes the next critical step to remove pilots from the cockpit.

Either flamebait or again, you don't know what you're talking about. If we conducted a poll tomorrow asking Joe Q. Public if he would be willing to fly around in an RPV or an airplane that has no pilot at all, I think you'd find the amount of people responding affirmative to be so small as to be statistically irrelevant.

Don't take offense dude, I'm not busting your chops, you really come off sounding like an idiot. (Sorry, but the shoe fits!)

 

[100LL... Again!]

And its all the union's fault that the airlines aren't making a profit right? I mean, us overpaid RJ pilots will be the downfall of our companies. There's no way in hell that the management groups with their giant salaries and multi-million dollar golden parachutes could be dragging things down at all.

Excess management stupidity certainly CAN drag down a company.

Excess management salary? Not likely. Excess executive pay has its greatest effect on employee morale. Take an executive's pay and divide by the number of employees and you will see that while they are certainly overpaid, it is not likely contributing to lack of profits. Generally, poor or non-existent profits are mostly attributable to a poor business plan, failure to control expenses/waste, or a surplus in the marketplace.

In the present situation, many airlines are experiencing all three of these factors.

So while I agree that management is often overpaid, it is not likely that it is having a real effect on the bottom line.

 

[temcgrew]

They are dutybound to the shareholders of the company.

Did I miss the Trans States Holdings IPO? DW even made the same statement during his speach, several times. As far as I know HK is THE ONLY shareholder.

 

[100LL... Again!]

.....looks like we have a future scab.

What a moron you are. Someone is spelling out the economic facts of life to you, and you think that means they will scab?

It is really no wonder that the profession is in so much trouble. Non-thinkers are way too prevalent. I'd love to make 200k in this business too, but the economic reality is that those days are pretty much over.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

What a moron you are. Someone is spelling out the economic facts of life to you, and you think that means they will scab?

It is really no wonder that the profession is in so much trouble. Non-thinkers are way too prevalent. I'd love to make 200k in this business too, but the economic reality is that those days are pretty much over.

Blah blah. You've been going on and on for days now defending Freedom Air, GoJet, and now airline management. Why don't you go fly your CRJ900 for $10 an hour and STFU.