ALPA Takes Action on AIT and Crewpass

[tzskipper]

Key words: "Last Thursday....."

After the APA took a leadership stand-

ALPA has washington connections- but awful leadership abilities- they're a good representation of Washington disconnect- DC has power- leadership comes from other places- prater didn't convince me that they would have even known about a problem much less do anything if it weren't for the APA and an express pilot talking to the media-

ALPA would be powerful for us indeed if they ever decided to lead

That is the truth.

The Crewpass resolution was passed at the 2006 BOD. It has taken national four years to get to the point of a survey?

 

[Ty Webb]

This whole thing could be resolved very easily by ALPA, SWAPA, and APA announcing that after November 23, 2010 Pilots will decline the AIT, will request a private screening, and will insist on another flight crewmember being present for said screening. Crew Pass would be here before you can say "show some balls".

 

[densoo]

This whole thing could be resolved very easily by ALPA, SWAPA, and APA announcing that after November 23, 2010 Pilots will decline the AIT, will request a private screening, and will insist on another flight crewmember being present for said screening. Crew Pass would be here before you can say "show some balls".

Yup. ........

 

[JoeMerchant]

Why can't the CASS database be used...It's good enough to get us in the cockpit..Why isn't it good enough to get us through security?

More excuses....

 

[maxcackel]

How do you propose to do this?

There is one way posted above. We stop being sheep. You want your junk fondled go ahead, I pass.

 

[tailwindz]

This whole thing could be resolved very easily by ALPA, SWAPA, and APA announcing that after November 23, 2010 Pilots will decline the AIT, will request a private screening, and will insist on another flight crewmember being present for said screening. Crew Pass would be here before you can say "show some balls".

Really? That is your idea of having "balls"?

How about beginning (pick a date), Pilots will decline any and all screenings beyond positive identification. PERIOD. End of story, set the brakes. (That is having "balls".)

 

[CitationLover]

Pilots should be more concerned with the bad press causing people to stop flying. The Bush Brown Shirts, oops I mean TSA, is about to cause a lot of people to stop flying because of this nonsense. This "security" nonsense has to stop. Al Qaeda wants a bomb on a plane, guess what, its getting on that plane one way or another.

I cannot believe in 10 years how much the pussification of this country has progressed that we give up basic liberties to these jack asses. Shame on us. Growing up in the 70's and 80's The Soviets had thousands of nuclear missiles aimed right at us, now we pee our pants when Iran is building ONE. The TSA simply fits this illusion.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Pilots should be more concerned with the bad press causing people to stop flying. The Bush Brown Shirts, oops I mean TSA, is about to cause a lot of people to stop flying because of this nonsense. This "security" nonsense has to stop. Al Qaeda wants a bomb on a plane, guess what, its getting on that plane one way or another.

I cannot believe in 10 years how much the pussification of this country has progressed that we give up basic liberties to these jack asses. Shame on us. Growing up in the 70's and 80's The Soviets had thousands of nuclear missiles aimed right at us, now we pee our pants when Iran is building ONE. The TSA simply fits this illusion.

I agree, but you can't blame EVERYTHING on Bush....Cradle to grave nanny states are the foundation of the Democratic Party...It's time to stop blaming EVERTHING on Bush.....

 

[densoo]

Why can't the CASS database be used...It's good enough to get us in the cockpit..Why isn't it good enough to get us through security?

More excuses....

There is one, many times two, TSA people monitoring the exits of all security areas. Just set up a lane for uniformed on duty crew only and this guy at the exit, who's just sitting anyway, can check IDs against CASS.

 

[CitationLover]

I agree, but you can't blame EVERYTHING on Bush....Cradle to grave nanny states are the foundation of the Democratic Party...It's time to stop blaming EVERTHING on Bush.....

His administration CREATED the homeland security department and wrote the REGULATIONS governing the TSA. He and Tom Ridge created this massive monster with the help of a REPUBLICAN congress. Who else is there to blame here? What revisionism are you operating under?

 

[redflyer65]

Something doesn't smell right.

Who's been paying for the years of CrewPass benefits in BWI and PIT?

It's staffed by ONE TSA agent and a computer. The TSA can't pay for that service? There seems to be quite a number of them hanging around. I call BS.

 

[JoeMerchant]

His administration CREATED the homeland security department and wrote the REGULATIONS governing the TSA. He and Tom Ridge created this massive monster with the help of a REPUBLICAN congress. Who else is there to blame here? What revisionism are you operating under?

In response to the "soccer moms" and all the people in this country who "demand security"....Are you going to deny that the Democratic Party panders to this same group of voters?

Unless you vote Libertarian, you contribute to this problem.

I remember many airline pilots demanding that the security screeners be "federalized" because the private security folks were such a joke....I miss those Barney Fifes without much authority....

 

[densoo]

Something doesn't smell right.

Who's been paying for the years of CrewPass benefits in BWI and PIT?

It's staffed by ONE TSA agent and a computer. The TSA can't pay for that service? There seems to be quite a number of them hanging around. I call BS.

If enough pilots request it, there will be at least one TSA person whose full-time job will be to take crewmembers to a private screening area.

Eventually they will figure out that they may as well take this person who does the private pat downs and use him for just checking names against a roster. Seems like would be a lot easier.

 

[densoo]

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[CitationLover]

In response to the "soccer moms" and all the people in this country who "demand security"....Are you going to deny that the Democratic Party panders to this same group of voters?

Unless you vote Libertarian, you contribute to this problem.

I remember many airline pilots demanding that the security screeners be "federalized" because the private security folks were such a joke....I miss those Barney Fifes without much authority....

Nice revisionist history. BOTH major political parties DEMANDED the patriot act. The only NO vote in the Senate was a Democrat. 98-1 with one abstain. As a CA you should understand the concept of "captain's authority", I guess you believe Bush had no authority as El Presidente when this Republican did the following:

Expanded the federal government through 9/11 with the Department of Homeland Security
Gave our generation the largest entitlement since the Great Society with Medicare prescription drug
Bailed out an entire business through TARP

All the while speaking with the ability of an 8th grader. NO republican should be proud of Bush.