ALPA sues Trans States Airlines

[Cookie Monster]

I just received a mass email from ALPA saying that they have filed suit in U.S. District Court to enforce two recently won arbitration awards.

So the company agreed to "final and binding" arbitration and now they are saying we don't like the outcome.

SCUMBAGS!

 

[D'Angelo]

ALPOs favorite past time. When they arent chanting and making pretty signs they are kicking and screaming in court. I wonder what they think they are entitled to this time. Its kind of like air wisconsins whiny union. They agree to the paycuts then scream WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK. Life doesnt work that way im afraid

 

[BoilerUP]

ALPOs favorite past time. When they arent chanting and making pretty signs they are kicking and screaming in court. I wonder what they think they are entitled to this time. Its kind of like air wisconsins whiny union. They agree to the paycuts then scream WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK. Life doesnt work that way im afraid

Dude, I know you have a hardon against ALPA, but what part of "to enforce two recently won arbitration awards" don't you understand?

 

[D'Angelo]

Dude, I know you have a hardon against ALPA, but what part of "to enforce two recently won arbitration awards" don't you understand?

what was the award for?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Does it really matter what the award was for?

Does the "D" stand for Darwin or what with you? (Shaking Head)

 

[belchfire]

It's way past time for someone to put HK in some kind of metaphorical meat grinder. I hope he loses his frigging shirt for a change.

As for unions, they are only as good as the people running the specific shop. So when are the pilots at corpex going to get together and make the teamsters do something? They won't unless you get involved!

 

[Cookie Monster]

what was the award for?

The awards are for reinstatement and back pay for two wrongfully terminated pilots.

 

[D'Angelo]

What were they terminated for? Perhaps the union got some guys their jobs back that really dont deserve it. In this case its more or less an act of civil disobidence.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

As soon as I read what the reason was, I knew you would try and spin it. You need to work on your schtick. It's getting too predictable. (shaking head again)

 

[NEDude]

Its kind of like air wisconsins whiny union. They agree to the paycuts then scream WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK. Life doesnt work that way im afraid

They didn't blindly accept pay cuts, they agreed to paycuts under certain conditions. Those conditions weren't met by management. The way an agreement is supposed to work is that both sides have to live up to the conditions. Management has clearly not lived up to their side of the agreement, therefore the pilots are asking an arbitrator to let them out of their side of the agreement. Why is that being whiny?

 

[BoilerUP]

unrelated to the thread:

good luck with the DB, NEDude. You deserve something better than the RJ and I want your seniority number

 

[flyer172r]

What were they terminated for? Perhaps the union got some guys their jobs back that really dont deserve it. In this case its more or less an act of civil disobidence.

At least one of the pilots (not sure about the other one) was fired because he was a council chairman and the company wanted to intimidate the union. So they fired him on basically made-up grounds that the arbitrator rejected. But the company still wants to try to intimidate us, so they refuse to follow the arbitrator's decision. So D'angelo, since you've said in the past that you think everything should go to arbitration, what would you do if the company doesn't abide by the results of binding arbitration?

 

[D'Angelo]

If the company does not abide and it was a valid decision then they will be punished by the court. If the court decides otherwise then obviously the deal was a sham deal by the arbitrator. Forced arbitration is a good thing. No more strikes and fair wages for all will be how arbitration ends up working.

 

[flyer172r]

If the company does not abide and it was a valid decision then they will be punished by the court. If the court decides otherwise then obviously the deal was a sham deal by the arbitrator. Forced arbitration is a good thing. No more strikes and fair wages for all will be how arbitration ends up working.

They'll only be punished by the court if someone holds them accountable in court if they don't abide by the decision. Or do magical arbitration fairies keep constant tabs on the company to make sure they do no evil?

 

[redbook]

If the company does not abide and it was a valid decision then they will be punished by the court. If the court decides otherwise then obviously the deal was a sham deal by the arbitrator. Forced arbitration is a good thing. No more strikes and fair wages for all will be how arbitration ends up working.

Sure you are not a lobbyist?

You are a pilot.
Right.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

If the company does not abide and it was a valid decision then they will be punished by the court. If the court decides otherwise then obviously the deal was a sham deal by the arbitrator. Forced arbitration is a good thing. No more strikes and fair wages for all will be how arbitration ends up working.

Actually, forced arbitration will mean no more strikes and MESA wages for all. It's only fair if the deck isn't already stacked against you.

 

[redbook]

If the company does not abide and it was a valid decision then they will be punished by the court. If the court decides otherwise then obviously the deal was a sham deal by the arbitrator. Forced arbitration is a good thing. No more strikes and fair wages for all will be how arbitration ends up working.

Thanks counsel. How much do you charge for that advice? 300 dollars an hour?

 

[redbook]

If the company does not abide and it was a valid decision then they will be punished by the court. If the court decides otherwise then obviously the deal was a sham deal by the arbitrator. Forced arbitration is a good thing. No more strikes and fair wages for all will be how arbitration ends up working.

Oh didn't catch you lingering here; You are too busy, have to post as quick as possible since you are billing people for your time.

 

[Soverytired]

What were they terminated for? Perhaps the union got some guys their jobs back that really dont deserve it. In this case its more or less an act of civil disobidence.

Dude, you're an idiot.

Company entered a contract in which they said they'd deal with any contract disputes (eventually) thru arbitration. They did in this case, they lost, now they have to pony up. They can no more pick and choose parts of their contract they want to follow any more than the pilots can.

I know nothing about these guys . . .they might be complete retards and completely incapable of wiping their own asses, much less fly a plane. It dosen't matter though, because THE COMPANY AGREED IN A BINDING CONTRACT to let them fly.

Civil disobedience is for resisting government oppression. Not for avoiding contracts you entered that you had second thoughts about. How about you stop paying your house mortgage as an act of "civil disobedience" because you were stupid enough to sign an ARM, and you don't like how interest rates are going up?

Flamebaiter you may be, but you are one stupid mo'fo.

 

[rsspilot]

I just received a mass email from ALPA saying that they have filed suit in U.S. District Court to enforce two recently won arbitration awards.

So the company agreed to "final and binding" arbitration and now they are saying we don't like the outcome.

SCUMBAGS!

U can bet Hulas is shaking now......Oh No...not the almighty ALPA

 

[sniper]

What were they terminated for? Perhaps the union got some guys their jobs back that really dont deserve it. In this case its more or less an act of civil disobidence.

You are a tool

 

[mdanno808]

Dude, you're an idiot.

Company entered a contract in which they said they'd deal with any contract disputes (eventually) thru arbitration. They did in this case, they lost, now they have to pony up. They can no more pick and choose parts of their contract they want to follow any more than the pilots can.

I know nothing about these guys . . .they might be complete retards and completely incapable of wiping their own asses, much less fly a plane. It dosen't matter though, because THE COMPANY AGREED IN A BINDING CONTRACT to let them fly.

Civil disobedience is for resisting government oppression. Not for avoiding contracts you entered that you had second thoughts about. How about you stop paying your house mortgage as an act of "civil disobedience" because you were stupid enough to sign an ARM, and you don't like how interest rates are going up?

Flamebaiter you may be, but you are one stupid mo'fo.

Well said.

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[jtf]

So does the CQFO grievance have another arbitrator assigned yet? Or the the furloughed out of seniority grievance have have one yet? I am glad that a couple of guys are getting their jobs back and I hope the rest of them are coming through soon also. Now that they are going to court, can they sue for more than just the jobs and backpay? What does it take to be able to sue in court? The scumsuckers in management willfully disreguard the contract and rarely pay anything for it. Could more cases that are shelved in never, never land due to the company refusing to show up for meetings with the arbitrator just go straight to court or will the pilots have to get a better, more rapidly paced arbitration procedure in place in the next contract to make things actually work through arbitration? I hope ALPA can at least get the court costs and their own attourney fees paid by Trans States mismanagement when they win in court. So, what happens when they refuse to follow the court order? Can the judge just send in the bailiff to shoot the scumbags and take the money out from under their mattresses? I hope so.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

A serious question, Can a union strike on the basis of these ignored arbitrations? I'm sure it doesn't have to be about wages or work rules. What if the basis of a strike is the company blatantly ignoring rules and contracts?

BTW D-Angelo, feel free to weigh in on this one as well.

 

[D'Angelo]

A serious question, Can a union strike on the basis of these ignored arbitrations? I'm sure it doesn't have to be about wages or work rules. What if the basis of a strike is the company blatantly ignoring rules and contracts?

BTW D-Angelo, feel free to weigh in on this one as well.

A strike is highly regulated in the airline industry. Quite frankly strikes were awarded far too often in the past. Strikes are a thing of the past. Time to get out of the old mentality and into the new one. Arbitration not strikes. If the company doesnt follow then they get a court order and have to pay retro anyway. You cant just strike because you dont like how something is going. Oh sure your free to walk off anytime you want, just don't expect your job back. In fact anyone can really strike any time they want. Just organize a walkout and there is not one illegal thing about it. People are free to leave when they please without notice. If you walk off the job however you should not expect to get your job back. You cant have things both ways. Thats the problem with the strike. People can just stomp their feet and cry then everyone gets their job back. Sorry those days are OVER. Next step is having the honorable John McCain get his arbitration deal back on track.

 

[D'Angelo]

Dude, you're an idiot.

Company entered a contract in which they said they'd deal with any contract disputes (eventually) thru arbitration. They did in this case, they lost, now they have to pony up. They can no more pick and choose parts of their contract they want to follow any more than the pilots can.

I know nothing about these guys . . .they might be complete retards and completely incapable of wiping their own asses, much less fly a plane. It dosen't matter though, because THE COMPANY AGREED IN A BINDING CONTRACT to let them fly.

Civil disobedience is for resisting government oppression. Not for avoiding contracts you entered that you had second thoughts about. How about you stop paying your house mortgage as an act of "civil disobedience" because you were stupid enough to sign an ARM, and you don't like how interest rates are going up?

Flamebaiter you may be, but you are one stupid mo'fo.

If its someone who is truly unsafe to fly the company has every right to remove them from duty. Thats one of the big problems with unions. They have to try and save EVERYONES job when a lot of people should be fired. Civil disobidence should also include resisting union oppression. Unions are allowed by the government therefore it can still be civil disobedience. If it werent for the govt no one would have the right to strike and get their job back when they are done stomping their feet, chanting, and painting pretty picket signs. You don't think unions do anything wrong? Check out http://www.nrtw.org for some informative articles about some thug unions.

 

[Cookie Monster]

These two terminations had nothing to do with the pilots being unsafe. In one case the pilot was essentially terminated because he asked for union representation when called to a meeting with management. The other pilot was terminated for giving a buddy pass to a former flight attendant. The FA then altered the date on the pass and used to travel after it had expired, the pilot knew nothing about the alteration. I should point out that the pilot was the local council chairman.

 

[D'Angelo]

The unfortunate thing about buddy passes is that you are totally responsable for anything that they do. Sucks but thats a fact. As far as the other person is concerned we don't know why he was called in for a meeting one can only speculate on that one

 

[Cookie Monster]

I agree that you are responsible for buddy passes and who you give them to, but it is not a terminable offense.

 

[D'Angelo]

I agree that you are responsible for buddy passes and who you give them to, but it is not a terminable offense.

Im not sure about your airlines rules however I do believe use of buddy passes for fradulent purposes can be a terminable offense. If buddy passes are bartered over ebay that is a terminable offense. Fraud is fraud and unfortunately that stupid b**ch abused her privledges. Buddy passes suck end of story