ALPA sues Trans States Airlines

[Cookie Monster]

In order for fraud to exist the person committing the fraud must engage in a "willfull" act. If the pilot had no knowledge of the fraud he could not have willfully engaged in the act to deceive. There is no such thing as accidental fraud. In addition, for fraud to exist there must be some gain for the party committing the fraud. The pilot did not gain in any way or stand to gain from the act committed.

not terminable

 

[Diesel]

We had a pilot terminated who was doing nothing involved with the company. The binding arbitration found that he was not in the wrong and the company had to reinstate him.
So the company then made sure they showed him by paying him full salery to sit at home. (For 12 MONTHS they PAID him FULL sallery, FULL BENNIES and even Paid him CAPTAIN pay when a guy junior to him upgraded)

The union brought the case to federal court where the judge ruled they had to return him to the line imediatly or they were in contempt of court.

It doesn't matter what the pilots did or the company did. They agreed to binding arbitration but when the company didn't like the answer they did their own thing.

If the company had won you wouldn't see the union try and fight the binding arbitration because they know what the company doesn't. Its almost impossible to overturn binding arbitration. You have to prove that the arbitrator was drunk or insane.

Judges when they retire want the sweet gig of arbitrators
They know enough not to upset the apple cart.

 

[redbook]

U can bet Hulas is shaking now......Oh No...not the almighty ALPA

Hulas isn't worried: cause he has SUPER scumbags like you!

 

[redbook]

A strike is highly regulated in the airline industry. Quite frankly strikes were awarded far too often in the past. Strikes are a thing of the past. Time to get out of the old mentality and into the new one. Arbitration not strikes. If the company doesnt follow then they get a court order and have to pay retro anyway. You cant just strike because you dont like how something is going. Oh sure your free to walk off anytime you want, just don't expect your job back. In fact anyone can really strike any time they want. Just organize a walkout and there is not one illegal thing about it. People are free to leave when they please without notice. If you walk off the job however you should not expect to get your job back. You cant have things both ways. Thats the problem with the strike. People can just stomp their feet and cry then everyone gets their job back. Sorry those days are OVER. Next step is having the honorable John McCain get his arbitration deal back on track.

Thanks for educating us for free, counsel. Is this pro bono work? I doubt it. Who is paying the bills?

 

[redbook]

Im not sure about your airlines rules however I do believe use of buddy passes for fradulent purposes can be a terminable offense. If buddy passes are bartered over ebay that is a terminable offense. Fraud is fraud and unfortunately that stupid b**ch abused her privledges. Buddy passes suck end of story

Thank for the definitive anti pilot ruling...but I guess when you are a paid advocate for the other side, you do what you have to right?

For your next screen name: advice...Don't be so obvious. Try not to convince people that they are better off as serfs serving a feudal lord.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

what was the award for?

For you getting on the short bus, then attending the special ed class.
dork
PBR

 

[ultrarunner]

A serious question, Can a union strike on the basis of these ignored arbitrations?...

Pilots of airlines represented by CBA' can't strike until they have premission to stike, regardless of the issues.

And that doesn't happen until they have been released from mediation and then jerk-off for 30 days. And that is only at the end of a VERY long process.

You can't just "go stike". There's a bit more to it than that.

Miners, Ironworks, truckers, etc... slightly different set of rules.

 

[Shrek]

We don't have to retry both cases on FI. The cases were arbitrated and the decision is final (binding).

The company knows that they cannot win - they don't want to pay the backpay.......close to a quarter mil.

 

[ultrarunner]

We don't have to retry both cases on FI. The cases were arbitrated and the decision is final (binding).

The company knows that they cannot win - they don't want to pay the backpay.......close to a quarter mil.

Does the pilot even want to be back on property?

 

["GO AROUND"]

The unfortunate thing about buddy passes is that you are totally responsable for anything that they do. Sucks but thats a fact. As far as the other person is concerned we don't know why he was called in for a meeting one can only speculate on that one

Obviously the arbitrator and everyone else in the world disagrees with you. Dumas.

 

[ATTCS]

If the company does not abide and it was a valid decision then they will be punished by the court. If the court decides otherwise then obviously the deal was a sham deal by the arbitrator. Forced arbitration is a good thing. No more strikes and fair wages for all will be how arbitration ends up working.

You sure you aren't white and your initials are really DH ???

 

[belchfire]

If the company does not abide and it was a valid decision then they will be punished by the court. If the court decides otherwise then obviously the deal was a sham deal by the arbitrator. Forced arbitration is a good thing. No more strikes and fair wages for all will be how arbitration ends up working.

Are you Satan, Don Carty, Lorenzo, Icohn, Orenstien or HK hisself???

A better thing would be to get the airline unions out from under the RLA. This whole "fly it and grieve it" thing, the nearly endless list of conditions that have to be met for a strike to be allowed and union leadership that represents their own interests instead of the flightcrews needs to end. No wonder that management doesn't worry about walkouts-they can jerk everyone's chain for three years before a strike is authorized and save all that payrole to come up with an 11th hour substandard agreement that the union will approve to keep everyone flying...

 

[Shrek]

"Does the pilot even want to be back on property?"

OF COURSE........who wouldn't want to come back into the Trans States Holding fold? Are you crazy?!!

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

D'Angelo, what if your company simply ignores an arbitrators ruling? Time and time again. While they're at it they also allow grievances to pile up for months on end.

Sorry to break your idea of this "New World Order", but if Mgmt. never incurs consequences {strike}- they'll take and do whatever they want.

 

[D'Angelo]

Are you Satan, Don Carty, Lorenzo, Icohn, Orenstien or HK hisself???

A better thing would be to get the airline unions out from under the RLA. This whole "fly it and grieve it" thing, the nearly endless list of conditions that have to be met for a strike to be allowed and union leadership that represents their own interests instead of the flightcrews needs to end. No wonder that management doesn't worry about walkouts-they can jerk everyone's chain for three years before a strike is authorized and save all that payrole to come up with an 11th hour substandard agreement that the union will approve to keep everyone flying...

The fact is this is a transportation industry. If pilots could stomp, whine and strike over every contract expiration the economy would collapse. Luckily for now its still sort of difficult to get a strike. Once McCains arbitration bill finds new life we will all be better off for it. No more strikes, no more unemployment line thanks to angry corrupt unions. Remember unions are just a buisness like everyone else.

 

[temcgrew]

No more strikes, no more unemployment line thanks to angry corrupt unions. Remember unions are just a buisness like everyone else.

What the heck is this Russia?

Get a grip dude, they are now breaking the law and are being taken to court because of it. It sounds like the American way to me.

 

[AvroJockey]

ALPOs favorite past time. When they arent chanting and making pretty signs they are kicking and screaming in court.

If the company does not abide and it was a valid decision then they will be punished by the court.

So how do you suppose the court punishes the company if ALPA doesn't take them to court?
Do you even know what your posting? It seems you just like to hear yourself talk, because your posts are purely meaningless and contradictory.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

The fact is this is a transportation industry. If pilots could stomp, whine and strike over every contract expiration the economy would collapse. Luckily for now its still sort of difficult to get a strike. Once McCains arbitration bill finds new life we will all be better off for it. No more strikes, no more unemployment line thanks to angry corrupt unions. Remember unions are just a buisness like everyone else.

Seems to me the NYC transportation workers didn't find it so difficult to strike.

 

[redbook]

. If pilots could stomp, whine and strike over every contract expiration the economy would collapse. Luckily for now its still sort of difficult to get a strike. Once McCains arbitration bill finds new life we will all be better off for it. No more strikes, no more unemployment line thanks to angry corrupt unions. Remember unions are just a buisness like everyone else.

D'Angelo = not a pilot

As a paid lobbyist I find it interesting that he feels that a little hip hop slang will give him "street cred".

He is definitely, as he loves to remind us, "livin it up!"

 

[Shrek]

Seems to me the NYC transportation workers didn't find it so difficult to strike.

You have GOT to be kidding..............Federal Court fined them for that lil stunt........but of course you left that out.

 

[OPECJet]

Ah yes, the McCain bill.... That passes, and you will never make an honest living doing this aviation horsecrap...

Mesa wages and work rules for everyone!

McCain is a total moron who thinks he understands the piloting profession since he was a pilot in the military.

 

[Capn Lucky]

Seems to me the NYC transportation workers didn't find it so difficult to strike.

People went to jail for that strike.

 

[D'Angelo]

Again absolutely nothing is stoping any of you from striking. Simply walk away. Just don't expect your job back. Thats the problem with strikes people get to whine walk away and then the company is forced to give them their job back for throwing a fit. This is absolutely not Russia. Anyone is free to leave at anytime they want. The problem is you all want to strike when you please then get your jobs back. Life isn't fair like that

 

[D'Angelo]

Ah yes, the McCain bill.... That passes, and you will never make an honest living doing this aviation horsecrap...

Mesa wages and work rules for everyone!

McCain is a total moron who thinks he understands the piloting profession since he was a pilot in the military.

Its a brilliant bill actually. If a company is making money an arbitrator wont give large paycuts. If its a fee for departure small paycuts may be in order. The fee for departure model is a flawed model. Time for us regionals to start earning our own keep and stop living off mainline. That is why we have no control over our wages. If your not fee for departure and making money you will never take a paycut in arbitration. It will eliminate the retarded "shoot for the moon" offers that the union wastes all of your time on

 

[D'Angelo]

D'Angelo = not a pilot

As a paid lobbyist I find it interesting that he feels that a little hip hop slang will give him "street cred".

He is definitely, as he loves to remind us, "livin it up!"

too much credit too much credit. Im livin it up as a comair pilot in the NYC!!! yeah baby!