Alpa President Starting To Show Signs Of Leadership

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I believe there is a huge level of difference in the level of disdain for Woerth vs what Prater is doing. Pilots will bitch and during concessions, everyone is a target and I think that Woerth probably made the biggest mistakes concerning scope in contracts,

The president doesn't control scope at each airline...

but most pilots would think that he was working for them. I truly believe Prater is working against 70% of the pilots right now with the pro age 65 thing, especially in the windfall manner they wish to implement it. I can't imagine any way the rule (without alpa influence) could be worse than the proposed windfall change.

Ok....so now what?

Senior pilots are supporting this and acting like their our big brother who just gave us two $20's for our $50 and telling us to quit acting like babies when we protest. I guess it's the indifference to the complete injustice of the windfall that has me the most frustrated. This isn't being pushed by Air Transport Assoc. so it's sad to say that managment has the junior pilots interest better protected.

So the junior pilots could not have been informed and savvy on this and seen age 60 coming last summer...and make it clear to thier MECs that DW neeed to stay......

Every one acts like ALPA is this totalitarian regime...when in acutality the members act that way then call it such a regime....

For so many pilots who love to claim Republican values of democracy and freedom they sure act like a bunch of mindless victims.....

 

[vetrider]

He started to show signs, and then..............petered out.

 

[ualdriver]

I believe there is a huge level of difference in the level of disdain for Woerth vs what Prater is doing. Pilots will bitch and during concessions, everyone is a target and I think that Woerth probably made the biggest mistakes concerning scope in contracts, but most pilots would think that he was working for them. I truly believe Prater is working against 70% of the pilots right now with the pro age 65 thing, especially in the windfall manner they wish to implement it. I can't imagine any way the rule (without alpa influence) could be worse than the proposed windfall change.

Senior pilots are supporting this and acting like their our big brother who just gave us two $20's for our $50 and telling us to quit acting like babies when we protest. I guess it's the indifference to the complete injustice of the windfall that has me the most frustrated. This isn't being pushed by Air Transport Assoc. so it's sad to say that managment has the junior pilots interest better protected.

Here are the results from some of the recent polls. It doesn't seem to me that ALPA National is acting in contradiction to what the majority wants. And it also seems to me that 70% of guys that want age 60 to stay is pretty inflated. The results look pretty consistent from these 3 polls.

Fuirther, it seems pretty apparent to me that ALPA has done what the majority wants- to take part in the rule changing process once their legislative/governmental people think the Age 60 battle is lost. And they do think it is lost.

So I guess if you're an ALPA member complaining that ALPA isn't doing the "right thing," or the "will of the membership," I guess you'll have to explain these poll results then.



April 2007 Telephone Poll

Change FAA Age 60 Rule:
Yes: 46%
No: 52%

If it is clear the rule is going to change, should ALPA maintain its opposition, drop its opposition or modify its policy to be able to address the NPRM issues:

Maintain Opposition: 32%
Drop Opposition: 22%
Modify Policy: 44%

May 2007 Web Survey
Change FAA Age 60 Rule:
Yes: 43%
No: 54%

If it is clear the rule is going to change, should ALPA maintain its opposition, drop its opposition or modify its policy to be able to address the NPRM issues:
Maintain Opposition: 36%
Drop Opposition: 24%
Modify Policy: 38%

If the ICAO standard (Age 65) was adopted in the US, at what age would you expect to retire?
<60: 8%
60: 37%
61-64: 16%
65: 39%


May 2007 Telephone Poll

Change FAA Age 60 Rule:
Yes: 45%
No: 52%

Based on briefings from the Blue Ribbon Panel, ALPA’s Governmental Affairs Department, and current activities of the FAA in Congress, the Executive Council believes Congressional action will occur on Age 60 as early as Summer 2007. Do you agree with this assessment?
Agree: 75%
Disagree: 18%

ALPA’s Executive Council vote on changing the existing ALPA Age 60 policy, in order to avoid the risk of being unable to influence legislation or cede the field to other interested parties who may advance proposals detrimental to ALPA and its members. Therefore, the Executive Board recommends support of regulatory or legislative efforts if such efforts incorporate ALPA’s priorities in the areas of medical standards, benefit issues, no retroactivity, liability protection and appropriate implementation of any rule change.
To what extent do you support or oppose this approach to the Age 60 Rule?
Strongly Support: 31%
Mostly Support: 34%
Neutral: 16%
Mostly Oppose: 8%
Strongly Oppose: 10%

 

[Flopgut]

Here are the results from some of the recent polls. It doesn't seem to me that ALPA National is acting in contradiction to what the majority wants. And it also seems to me that 70% of guys that want age 60 to stay is pretty inflated. The results look pretty consistent from these 3 polls.

Fuirther, it seems pretty apparent to me that ALPA has done what the majority wants- to take part in the rule changing process once their legislative/governmental people think the Age 60 battle is lost. And they do think it is lost.

So I guess if you're an ALPA member complaining that ALPA isn't doing the "right thing," or the "will of the membership," I guess you'll have to explain these poll results then.



April 2007 Telephone Poll

Change FAA Age 60 Rule:
Yes: 46%
No: 52%

If it is clear the rule is going to change, should ALPA maintain its opposition, drop its opposition or modify its policy to be able to address the NPRM issues:

Maintain Opposition: 32%
Drop Opposition: 22%
Modify Policy: 44%

May 2007 Web Survey
Change FAA Age 60 Rule:
Yes: 43%
No: 54%

If it is clear the rule is going to change, should ALPA maintain its opposition, drop its opposition or modify its policy to be able to address the NPRM issues:
Maintain Opposition: 36%
Drop Opposition: 24%
Modify Policy: 38%

If the ICAO standard (Age 65) was adopted in the US, at what age would you expect to retire?
<60: 8%
60: 37%
61-64: 16%
65: 39%


May 2007 Telephone Poll

Change FAA Age 60 Rule:
Yes: 45%
No: 52%

Based on briefings from the Blue Ribbon Panel, ALPA’s Governmental Affairs Department, and current activities of the FAA in Congress, the Executive Council believes Congressional action will occur on Age 60 as early as Summer 2007. Do you agree with this assessment?
Agree: 75%
Disagree: 18%

ALPA’s Executive Council vote on changing the existing ALPA Age 60 policy, in order to avoid the risk of being unable to influence legislation or cede the field to other interested parties who may advance proposals detrimental to ALPA and its members. Therefore, the Executive Board recommends support of regulatory or legislative efforts if such efforts incorporate ALPA’s priorities in the areas of medical standards, benefit issues, no retroactivity, liability protection and appropriate implementation of any rule change.
To what extent do you support or oppose this approach to the Age 60 Rule?
Strongly Support: 31%
Mostly Support: 34%
Neutral: 16%
Mostly Oppose: 8%
Strongly Oppose: 10%

I don't know how you can read that and NOT see how the numbers are being cooked! How can anybody who is informed be encouraged by this debacle?

ALPA should put this in a 4-5 min video podcast and call it: "Geezers gone wild".

 

[Flopgut]

The president doesn't control scope at each airline...

Rez: I don't think you realize how much the ALPA's President does influence these things.

 

[ualdriver]

I don't know how you can read that and NOT see how the numbers are being cooked! How can anybody who is informed be encouraged by this debacle?

ALPA should put this in a 4-5 min video podcast and call it: "Geezers gone wild".

Ah yes, the numbers have been cooked! That's what it is! You go Flopgut!

 

[PCL_128]

Rez: I don't think you realize how much the ALPA's President does influence these things.

Rez has done more ALPA work over the years than most people on this board. I can assure you that he is well aware of the President's influence on such matters, and I can also assure you that you're belief is completely incorrect. I served on an MEC that was heavily involved in scope negotiations and a scope violation, and the President never had any involvement unless we consulted him. The President works on much bigger things than individual airline scope issues. That's up to the MECs. Darth Prater has caused some major harm to this organization and this profession with his actions on the Age-60 issue, but he doesn't have quite the influence on most things that you think he does.