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I agree that this is all temporary and sad.

The almost certain reality is that in the relativly near future all this won't matter, because U is all but certain to fail.

U may reemerge (I believe it will) like a Pheonix as a small (less than 50 Airbus) niche carrier flying it's best routes and citiy pairs with new investors, but only AFTER it ceases operations and divests itself of all the current garbage.

A small East Coast niche carrier has little need or money for regional feed, so current U Express regionals (and pilots) should see the EXTREMELY likely future.

Especially turboprops.

The RJ's may find a home elsewhere.
 
That US air MGT would prejudice one WO against another is knuckleheadedness at its finest. in my view, in BK court , all the WOS should have merged, fleets pruned, RJS ordered, routes restructered, NO flying given to outside contractors, and a reverse integration of mainline pilots into regional positions.

it might all be a MOOT point come the summer.

All of the US air pilot family are in my prayers.
 
I guess it doesn't matter that Matt Kernan was giving them the same info as Duane. BTW, his title is Resource Coordinator which is a new position created at the 2002 BOD meeting. The RC's job is to "coordinate" all the resources of ALPA for the small carriers (ie: B, C, and D). And here is the real kicker, Matt is an Allegheny pilot.:rolleyes:

ALPA and Duane have givin the pilots of ExpressJet absolute support. It beats the ever-lovin sh!t out of the IACP! (Independant Association of Continental Pilots)
 
TWA Dude said:
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, what would anyone expect from Woerth? It sent shivers down my spine to hear some of the same words that he spoke to the TWA MEC when we were fighting for our survival.

Don't ever find yourself in the underdog position. ALPA National only protects the strong.

Dude

Geeez you're negative. I hear that DW personally intervened (behind the scenes) with the top dogs at NWA management to avoid a stike at MSA and turn the tables in their favor. His direct intervention obtained for them an industry leading TA, with industry leading Scope that "stops whipsaw dead in it's tracks." I know this because I read his own quotes in various newspapers. Mesaba pilots, this very week, will have the chance to match the compensation of PCL, a well known industry leader in regional jet pay. This industry leading success will undoubtedly advance and improve the current negotiations at both ASA and COEX (XJT) and, as a fringe benefit, will also assist Comair pilots in finding a way to meet the concessionary demands of Delta management.

He also recently rose to the defense of the Eagle pilots, taking on the APA single handedly and defeating them, thus preventing AA pilots from taking away the jet Captain positions at Eagle. He will soon intevene there again and will surely secure an amendment to EGL's industry leading 16-year contract, putting them even farther ahead of their peers at Mesa.

He has steadfastly defended Mesa pilots against the Freedom alter-ego created by the actions of the U pilots, reduced the JO alter-ego attempt to ashes, transfered 50% of the new jet positions to U pilots, established industry leading Scope for MES and single handedly guaranteed that they will be among the lowest paid in the industry for the foreseable future.

With the able asistance of the AAA MEC, he has managed to abrogate the contracts and seniority of pilots at PSA, PDT, ALG, MSA, TSA, CHQ and bankrupt MDW, thus securing for furloughed AAA pilots half the Captain positions at all of those carriers, and for PSA the largest RJ order in the history of the U subsidiaries. In the process he was even able to secure the creation of a new wholly owned alter ego at U (that will fly any day now) and an unprecedented flow-through for the benifit of the WO pilots.

He has excelled in assisting CMR and ASA pilots by negotiating new Scope at Delta that allowed the two Delta subsidiaries to retain nearly half of their previously ordered 70-set jets (now distributed among only 5 DCI carriers ... when previously CMR and ASA only had unlimited rights). While at it, he was able to reduce ALL DCI flying from unlimited to less than 40% of Delta flying, and to establish long sought-after controls over where ASA and CMR jets could fly. The ASA and CMR pilots would never have been able to do this on their own. CMR pilots are especially thrilled by his efforts and recently he appeared in CVG to tell how he would solve any remaining problems they might have by negotiating "Brand Scope" in an effort to make the Delta pilots' control of CMR flying permanent. He received a standing ovation. Once this new "brand" of scope is established, all regional carriers will benefit immensely from the ability of the mainline MEC's to negotiate on their behalf, without their consent, thus ensuring that their futures and jobs are placed firmily in the hands of the mainline MEC's, where they belong. It's a break through.

To keep pace with SKYW's industry leading effort to save United's regional feed, he has successfuly assisted in negotiating industry leading concessions at Air Wisconsin and Atlantic Coast. Unfortunately, ACA management did not respond in a satisfactory manner and has lost the UAL contract. Otherwise the ACA pilots would have secured yet another bonanza of lower pay and lost work rules in support of the corporate failures at United.

All of this is just the tip of the iceberg and does not reveal the full thrust of ALPA resources working every day on behalf of regional pilots.

I just don't understand how you all could be less than thrilled by the successful and positive efforts of the ALPA President in your behalf.
 
Scope is an imaginary 5 letter word. Until every pilot realizes this, the whipsaw will continue. Duane is a dollar short and a day late on this. Read his article in Airline Pilot titled Fee for Departure,Again. The fact that he is just realizing that having multiple codeshares under the same brand name is causing whipsaw - is frankly scary! Now he wants to join hands and stop finger pointing. Sorry Duane, youve had your head buried a little too long in the sand. Supply couldve been limited at the bottom with a more guaranteed career progression under a single list. But, this wouldve taken a REAL leader.
 
"Once this new "brand" of scope is established, all regional carriers will benefit immensely from the ability of the mainline MEC's to negotiate on their behalf, without their consent, thus ensuring that their futures and jobs are placed firmily in the hands of the mainline MEC's, where they belong. It's a break through."


This is truly scary. Not being able to negotiate on your own behalf, without consent.
:mad:
Way to keep the peasants down, Duane. Just think, Delta won't have to hire the Comair pilots either and when it comes to negotiating cuts, I dare think they will take care an iota when it drags down the Comair pilot to food stamp level. I am sure the first thing to be negotiated in the Comair pilots behalf (sarcasm intended) will be a flowdown.
 
After the overwhelming show of support for our furloughs after 9-11 from the Comair pilots, I am sure we can't wait to help them out.......There will be no flow up, either......


Bye Bye--General Lee:rolleyes:
 
welcome to the fiefdom

i've come to the conclusion that alpa is like a feudal society,
i can almost here eric idle now

"Oh, King, eh, very nice. And how d'you get that, eh? By exploiting the workers! By 'anging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. If there's ever going to be any progress with the..."

"your fooling yourself, were living in a dictatorship, a self perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes..."

wish i could get a clip of woerthless saying
'I am your king'

that would be too sweet....
 
General - What continues to amaze me about your posts is the way you believe in the "entitlement" of pilots at Delta. You made a choice to leave a regional and go to a different company. It was a choice that comes with risk. If your company is doing poorly, what entitles your pilots to take another pilots job? Be careful here, you might say something like "operational integration" . Your "entitlement" dribble is getting old. Suck it up and get in line with an application like everyone else - youre starting to sound like a lifetime welfare recepient.
 
crj579,

Well, I don't need to go anywhere right now since I am flying at Delta. (Thanks anyway) What you don't seem to understand is that there are ramifications for everything in this business. The decision your group makes as a whole (or lack of trying) can and will hurt you later on. We know that Comair is actually OWNED by Delta, and that your twin sister airline, ASA, is allowing our furloughed pilots to go to the BOTTOM of their list (entitlement?? Wouldn't that mean going straight to Capt?) without seniority resignation. It is also happening at Chataqua. That will be remembered. Your lack of help in this matter may just bleed over to future hiring at the big D. You might say, "well, that would be years from now....." Maybe, and maybe not. You may not care. Good. The main thing here is that hiring Delta furloughs to the bottom of your list would have given you experienced pilots (compared to your DCI academy grads) and they would not have bumped any of you at all. Delta would have footed the bill, not Comair. (they OWN you guys) We actually endorsed your recent merger proposal with ASA, and again that has gone unnoticed. You guys are really becoming a big pain in the a$$, talk about "entitlement". Well, if we do go Chap 11 eventually, I know you guys will love that Mesa style contract. Thanks for helping out our furloughs when they NEEDED it. Have a great day.

Bye Bye--General Lee;) :rolleyes:
 
surplus 1-

I have to give you your due. Your expose' on Alpa and Duane is fantastic if you have been living in a Tibetan Monastery for the last 15 years. Unfortunately the level of education within the Commuter ranks are able to recognize fraud and misrepresentation. Lets let the courts decide if Worthless and his employed advisor's have maintained a duty of fair representation. The RJDC litigation hearings are approaching quickly, along with the brothers at PFR. I don't believe Capt. White is allowing new plaintiffs but you might be able to join the PFR litigation, as long as you don't have Alpa Communication craft your proposal.
 
General...
If Delta goes Chapter 11, do you think Comair will be IPO'd to make some cash (odd way to say it, but it's not a spin-off or a sell off, but an IPO)? I do. So, will the contract be affected? Doubt it. Comair is still making money, not losing it. Regardless, the landscape will change quite drastically before that happens.

Honestly, the family feud is a little old. Time to get a new perspective. Change the things that you can - and forget the things that you can't... helps the stress to level off. I think everyone here knows the story. See that horse laying on the ground...? Yeah, it's a gonner.
 
Pez,

No, I don't see it that way. Why would Delta want to get rid of a moneymaker? They could just ask the judge to slash your wages down to Mesa's, and there wouldn't be much for you to say. They don't have to sell anything. And, since your strike back in 2001, I think they would love to slash your higher wages, just like ours. To think that you will be unaffected is naive. Could they do an IPO and make cash from it? Sure, but even the new managment there would want your wages slashed. But, since you guys are moneymakers, they would probably keep you and just go after your contracts, just like ours. I am not making fun of anyone here, I am just telling you what I see as reality. If they can't get money from you now, they will try later.


And, as far as changing the things I can and leaving the dead horse on the ground, I wish it were that easy. I still know furloughs that are on the street and can't get a flying job. I think a lot of them have apps in with ASA and Chataqua.


Bye Bye--General Lee;) :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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General Lee said:
They could just ask the judge to slash your wages down to Mesa's, and there wouldn't be much for you to say.

Uh, isn't Comair a different company from Delta? Wholly-owned, but different? Unless Comair files chap 11 I don't see how a judge could order them to do anything.

Dude
 

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