Alpa....Pathetic

[scopeCMRandASA]

Pez,

I am saying that this came out of the Delta CFO's mouth. Quite frankly, I am surprised that she said it. Anything and everything made public over there is to attempt to undermine the Delta pilots. So why would she lie. Many on here post as to the "shell company" Comair is. I agree. All of the accounting is done at Delta. Additionally, I have spoken with the CVG--Delta-- station manager. Happened to be sitting next to him on a flight one day. Although he would not give out percentages, he said that disproportionate amounts of a ticket are allocated to a Comair segmen, or ASA segment when used in combination with a Delta segment. As an example, DAY-CVG-LAX. $400 ticket. The proceds are not split even 50/50. He said that some $250 would be "credited" to the Comair segment leaving $150 for the Delta segment. This is in addition to all of the marketing, gate leases, etc. costs which Delta picks up.

I wouldn't necessarily believe everybody at the G.O. Delta can make any property appear profitable as necessary, or appear losing as necessary. One thing not in doubt, mainline generates MUCH more revenue than all DCIs combined. Also, should the company go ch11, we go down as well. Doesn't really matter who was the profitable entity.

I do not believe a word this management says. I believe that mainline, if you truly and fairly account for costs, is profitable. I believe that Comair and ASA are not profitable, but necessary in order to generate the feed required for mainline. I do not believe that mainline can compete with the likes of SWA/AirTran with as many RJs as they have now. Too many. Costs of them are too high--higher than Delta reports. The numbers just don't add up.
I also believe that the RJDC officers know this, and need this lawsuit to succeed badly. Why else would you see so much dissent from RJDC supporters. They hate the Delta pilots yet want to be on their list or set free. Which one do you think they really want. Just listen up in the lounge for the answer. These guys want a spot at the big show. They will do anything, including helping management, in order to make it happen.

--a concerned regional pilot

 

[InclusiveScope]

ALG/PDT lawsuit:
http://www.pilots4fair.freeservers.com/

ASA/CMR lawsuit:
http://www.rjdefense.com/

Feb 1 RJDC industry update:
http://www.rjdefense.com/news.html

 

[TWA Dude]

And don't forget:

ex-TWA vs. ALPA/AA/APA
http://www.twapaf.com

Fight the Power!

 

[Palerider957]

Pez,


I do not believe a word this management says. I believe that mainline, if you truly and fairly account for costs, is profitable. I believe that Comair and ASA are not profitable, but necessary in order to generate the feed required for mainline. --a concerned regional member of management.

This is bunk.....ASA and CMR have ALWAYS made money, always. I don't think ASA/CMR have ever posted a loss, so there is no reason to believe they are now. If they were losing money, it would be due to DAL mismanagement.

Mainline artificially inflates the CASM on the RJ's and uses this as a tool to hit Rj drivers on the head with.

ASA and CMR are VERY profitable.....however you want to spin this, it is an undeniable fact.

Flame away......

 

[General Lee]

Palerider,

I think we are ALL being taken here. The CASM we are told about includes the higher ASA/Comair CASM (we have more seats, spreading out the costs) with ours. Also, our CFO did state that we do pay for a lot more of the ASA/Comair expenses--more than you would think. Our guys heard it from her mouth. Let's hope this all works out for both of us.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Catbird]

Firstly Woerth with the help of Alpa attorneys threw out the MEC Policy manual and the standing resolution of 1997 requiring pilot ratification. Then they roll called thru all the agenda items. When the question was asked about furlough protection (PDT still has it)in the event of a future sale the same alpa attorneys said that we don't qualify under PDT's contract.

Ernie was right! We get ALL the protections of PDT's Section 1. I quote the relevant portion from the PDT CBA:

>>C. Furlough Protection

1. No pilot on the Piedmont Pilots Seniority List as of May 16, 2000 shall be furloughed, except as may be otherwise provided in Section 1.C.2., below.<<

"You see" the attorney explains, "The ALG pilots were not on the PDT senority list on that date".

The three still wanted to roll call it without seeking the chance of obtaining this protection. After wrangling they relented to let the lawyers at the behest of the five contact Harrison and Ford (the company's Attys)and try to see about such protections. The company's attorneys responded positvely and indicated they would like to close the deal but had to look into it. Now, much later in the day they are headed for a roll call vote on the LOA. Without the response from Harrison and Ford. Finally, Again they relent to give five minutes to try to reach them for a response. But, know the attorney can't reach them. "We should wait" say the five "to see if can get this protection for our pilots." The attorney indicated it may possibly be included in the deal......Can't wait for an answer say the three. ROLL CALL!!!!

Now, most of us expect a sale announcement as likely in the upcoming months. The three were saying all along they had to exercise roll call to prevent a possible asset transfer scenario to save the bottom 200 on a 350 pilot list (and other things). A noble premise I agree. In doing so however they likey have knowingly and callously sacraficed all 350 should a sale be further down the pike at any time.

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[JetPilot_Mike]

Pez,

--a concerned regional pilot

Oh I just bet you are. Whatever.