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ALL ALPA MEMBERS

November 11, 2010

Dear Members:

The recent policy decision by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) to require that all persons, including pilots, be screened by Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) machines and/or highly intrusive pat-down searches is the latest change in a long line of ever-increasing security measures that unnecessarily frustrate and burden airline pilots.

Instead of merely complaining to the media about the changed procedures or writing to you with advice on the security screening options that you already know, I decided to try to change the U.S. government’s decisions. I have told our members and representatives on numerous occasions that your union’s influence in government, legislative, and regulatory matters is based upon our access to the highest levels of this government, and that access is due to ALPA’s long-term commitment to provide member expertise and dedicated professional staff to find solutions, instead of merely making media noise.

Last Thursday I contacted the White House with our concerns. On Friday evening, ALPA staff and I met with the TSA to present our members’ serious concerns with AIT screenings and pat-down frisking and, more importantly, to offer solutions to the issue. On Wednesday, TSA Administrator John Pistole called me to discuss both the concerns that ALPA has with the new screening procedures and reviewed the solutions that I had offered to the agency. Administrator Pistole committed to me that he and the TSA will work with me, our Security Committee, and ALPA staff to find a solution in the near term to the immediate concerns of ALPA pilots and in the longer term to implement crew access procedures.

Administrator Pistole informed me that the agency is fully on board with implementing CrewPASS, which is one of our Board of Directors priorities. Following the call with Pistole, I joined AFL-CIO President Rich Trumka to meet with the Speaker of the House and House leadership at the Capitol to discuss a wide variety of issues that affect workers and ALPA members including the current security dilemma that we face.

I know that each of you has the same question about CrewPASS: where is it? As you know from issues of FastRead and Air Line Pilot magazine over the past few months, we have been working with the TSA, airlines, MEC representatives, and IT vendors to promote the implementation and availability of CrewPASS. A few months ago, I wrote to each of the U.S. airline CEOs and your MECs that ALPA had received government approval for nationwide implementation of CrewPASS. I have also shared all details of ALPA’s CrewPASS efforts with APA and SWAPA, the unions that represent the American and Southwest pilots. Yet only one MEC, Alaska, has been successful to date in working with their management to have the company pay for and implement this enhanced security access system for pilots.

Let me be clear about the problem that has prevented CrewPASS from becoming a nationwide reality: it is simply who pays for the service. Your companies have so far refused to pay the very minimal annual costs (approximately $50 per pilot) to make this a reality, and there is no government funding for this program. Yet today, as many of you have recently experienced, we are facing a more distinct and urgent need for CrewPASS than ever before.

Accordingly, I have directed our Communications Department to post a Web survey tomorrow (Friday, November 12) to ask you for your input about the best way to “jump start” CrewPASS and provide this security access system for you in the very near term. Look for an announcement about that survey in Friday’s FastRead with more details.

Also, since many of you have requested more information and direction on the options that working pilots have when they are faced with airport screening by AIT, I have directed our National Security Committee to develop a comprehensive security operations bulletin with information that it has gleaned about AIT screening and pat-downs at an invitation-only TSA conference held earlier this week, at which ALPA was the only union invited to attend. Look for that bulletin not later than Friday as well.

The mark of a professional pilot is how well he or she deals with adversity under all circumstances. These are surely trying times, but I am optimistic that this present situation will be resolved in the near future. Along with members of the ALPA security team, I have been screened by AIT equipment at various airports and have endured the aggressive pat-downs that are used when AIT screening is declined or anomalies are discovered. I know exactly how many of you feel about this screening process, because I have experienced it as well and completely understand why it is so offensive.

I respect your continued professionalism as we work toward what I am confident will be a successful resolution of this issue. I will update the Board and the members this weekend with further developments.

Yours in Solidarity,

John Prater, President

I work at ASA.

I'd like to invite EVERY crew member here to contact senior management, including portions of this email from Prater, copy our MEC folks who can't be bothered to take the lead on this and ask why our company isn't leading the effort to get Crew Pass online.
 
Let me be clear about the problem that has prevented CrewPASS from becoming a nationwide reality: it is simply who pays for the service. Your companies have so far refused to pay the very minimal annual costs (approximately $50 per pilot) to make this a reality, and there is no government funding for this program. Yet today, as many of you have recently experienced, we are facing a more distinct and urgent need for CrewPASS than ever before..


This a completely full of $hit reason. All the company has to do aks the pilots if they want to pay 50 bucks. What is Mr. Prater trying to pull?
 
Maybe every pilot should be given the option to personally pay the $50 to use it every year.

That's not a precedent I'd like to set. We'd be paying for our own SIDA badges and company IDs if we agreed to that.

I would imagine it's in the company's interest to set crews up for success while passing through security at the airport. The way we're going, it's only a matter of time before a crew member assaults a TSA agent.

$50/crewmember/year is just a negligible cost and not something I expect to have to quibble over. My company is bragging about $70 million a year in savings that will be realized by their merger with Express Jet...Crew Pass would cost less than $400K.
 
That's not a precedent I'd like to set. We'd be paying for our own SIDA badges and company IDs if we agreed to that.

I would imagine it's in the company's interest to set crews up for success while passing through security at the airport. The way we're going, it's only a matter of time before a crew member assaults a TSA agent.

$50/crewmember/year is just a negligible cost and not something I expect to have to quibble over. My company is bragging about $70 million a year in savings that will be realized by their merger with Express Jet...Crew Pass would cost less than $400K.

BS. Badges are required to go to work. Bypassing security isn't. Crewpass is of no benefit to the company since you can still go to work the old fashioned way. Why SHOULD they pay for it? 400K is a lot of money with no return. How will you justify that to the BOD?

If you don't like being hassled in security, then put your money where your mouth is and pony up the $50! Otherwise stop whining.
 
400K is a lot of money with no return. How will you justify that to the BOD?

I'd be open to looking at changing the duty-in times at outstations to be 5-10 min closer to departure...reflecting the time saving of not having to go through security.

Giving all of the GO employees 3 legged wooden stools to sit on at their desks would be cheaper than nice chairs...but the BOD/shareholders don't expect that do they?

The facts are: The company has the money. We've been pinched in other areas (non-rev travel, health insurance). Funding crew pass would be a morale raising benefit that the company is financially positioned to provide.

Would I pay for it if that were the only option? Of course I would.

My preference though, is that the company would recognize that doing it's part to make our workday go smoother and less suckful would go a long way toward thanking us '...for all all we do out there to make this a GREAT super regional airline'.

I want to see them put their money where their mouth is.
 
That's not a precedent I'd like to set. We'd be paying for our own SIDA badges and company IDs if we agreed to that.

I would imagine it's in the company's interest to set crews up for success while passing through security at the airport. The way we're going, it's only a matter of time before a crew member assaults a TSA agent.

$50/crewmember/year is just a negligible cost and not something I expect to have to quibble over. My company is bragging about $70 million a year in savings that will be realized by their merger with Express Jet...Crew Pass would cost less than $400K.

If the airline paid they could only brag about 69.6 million a year in savings!

And the CEO might get shorted a few hundred thousand bucks on his bonus and his kids can have the PS3 they wanted for Christmas...it amazes me how short sighted some people are. Imagine an airline CEO whose children can't have a PS3 or a Maserati.
 
BS. Badges are required to go to work. Bypassing security isn't. Crewpass is of no benefit to the company since you can still go to work the old fashioned way. Why SHOULD they pay for it? 400K is a lot of money with no return. How will you justify that to the BOD?

If you don't like being hassled in security, then put your money where your mouth is and pony up the $50! Otherwise stop whining.

Using that logic why should they even bother providing heat or light in the crew room. Or free water in the water cooler. Some companies understand that little stuff matters, some don't. Sadly these days most airlines are in the latter category.

You can bet the CEO doesn't pay even pay for his own dry cleaning though.
 
That's not a precedent I'd like to set. We'd be paying for our own SIDA badges and company IDs if we agreed to that.

I would imagine it's in the company's interest to set crews up for success while passing through security at the airport. The way we're going, it's only a matter of time before a crew member assaults a TSA agent.

$50/crewmember/year is just a negligible cost and not something I expect to have to quibble over. My company is bragging about $70 million a year in savings that will be realized by their merger with Express Jet...Crew Pass would cost less than $400K.

Hahaha company's interest to set crews up for success?? You're just passing through security. The company is not there to be charitable, it's there to make money. Sure you can plead with the company but if the only reason why there's not a national Crewpass system is because Prater can't get management to agree to pay for it then that is BS. I think most people would be glad to pay 50 bucks for something that will help them everyday they go to work.
 
Sadly these days most airlines are in the latter category.

ASA doesn't seem to be one of these.

I've seen the company treat the crews decent at cost to the company. They tout themselves as being a 'super regional' and talk up how great the company is.

This is simply a (small) way for them to act on these ideals.

What's the big deal?
 
The big deal is that the companies shouldn't be forced to pay it and it looks like that's the reason why Crewpass hasn't become a reality yet. You can plead with them from months while the rest of can pay for it now and be on our way.
 
The big deal is that the companies shouldn't be forced to pay it and it looks like that's the reason why Crewpass hasn't become a reality yet. You can plead with them from months while the rest of can pay for it now and be on our way.

Are you management? You sound like management material.

Getting through security is not getting to work. It's getting *into* work. It's like a businessman showing up at the door to his office building and having to pony up an entrance fee.

And the reward for the airlines is tangible. It's in their best interest to pay for it. It means pilots showing up at the gate on time, in a better mood, providing better customer service and more on-time flights. Probably safer to. Also helps keep them from quitting and going corporate first chance they get. Or going postal in the security line, that always makes for bad press.
 
Using that logic why should they even bother providing heat or light in the crew room. Or free water in the water cooler. Some companies understand that little stuff matters, some don't. Sadly these days most airlines are in the latter category.

You can bet the CEO doesn't pay even pay for his own dry cleaning though.

Wait, wait! You guys get free water? WTF. Next thing you'll be telling me you get free coffee without having to go steal it from the CP's office...
 
Wait, wait! You guys get free water? WTF. Next thing you'll be telling me you get free coffee without having to go steal it from the CP's office...

Or free parking and free shuttle-bus rides from the parking lot to the concourse.

Imagine how much could be saved by eliminating that wasteful program!
 
I have to agree that crews paying is definitely not a precedent we ever want to set. What many fail to grasp is the incremental nature of issues such as this. Our QOL and incomes are being incrementally devalued as a matter of policy by management, and regrettably, often enabled by our union reps. I pray I'm not alone in recognizing this. Therefore IMHO, we never want to allow the ball to start rolling on this or any issue. One example of where this may lead is how management now takes for granted we will use our cell phones willingly at our own expense for company business. This is now policy for all practical purposes. Personally, I have been threatened with discipline more than once by management for failing to use the phone I'm not required to have nor receive any allowance for.
 
Are you management? You sound like management material.

Getting through security is not getting to work. It's getting *into* work. It's like a businessman showing up at the door to his office building and having to pony up an entrance fee.

No it isn't. You can get in free by simply going through the checkpoint like everyone else! You choose not to be harassed though. If it's worth $50 to you then pay it. If not, then go through security.

I love it how everyone is in favor of ending handouts until they're the ones getting the handout. Then it's justified? As I said, put your money where your mouth is. Put up or shut up.
 
Box office, it is my money and I am willing to pay it...in the form of added compensation for the work I do for my company.
 
If the airline paid they could only brag about 69.6 million a year in savings!

And the CEO might get shorted a few hundred thousand bucks on his bonus and his kids can have the PS3 they wanted for Christmas...it amazes me how short sighted some people are. Imagine an airline CEO whose children can't have a PS3 or a Maserati.


Ahh, the old 'wealth envy' card, well played my friend.
 
Are you management? You sound like management material.

Getting through security is not getting to work. It's getting *into* work. It's like a businessman showing up at the door to his office building and having to pony up an entrance fee.

And the reward for the airlines is tangible. It's in their best interest to pay for it. It means pilots showing up at the gate on time, in a better mood, providing better customer service and more on-time flights. Probably safer to. Also helps keep them from quitting and going corporate first chance they get. Or going postal in the security line, that always makes for bad press.

No it's not in their interest to pay for it because it's not tangible as you say it is. This isn't like CASS where it is in their best interest to have it or they won't have pilots. You can still use the crew line for free. I think everyone would like to have it for free but there should be the option for people in companies that refuse to pay for it. If it was 50 per month, then yes it would be a problem. It's only 50 bucks per year less than the cost of a medical.
 
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No it isn't. You can get in free by simply going through the checkpoint like everyone else! You choose not to be harassed though. If it's worth $50 to you then pay it. If not, then go through security.

I love it how everyone is in favor of ending handouts until they're the ones getting the handout. Then it's justified? As I said, put your money where your mouth is. Put up or shut up.

I already did dipshiot. It is known as the taxes I paid. You MUST be a flaming liberal.
 
I have to agree that crews paying is definitely not a precedent we ever want to set. .

You're thinking too much into it. Sometimes there are things that you just need to go with. I think it's ridiculous that ALPA is fighting management, which have all said no, and delaying our ability to get crewpass in the name of 50 bucks a year.
 
Lots of pilots take a WEEK of their lives and jump thru lots of hoops to become FFDO's simply to not have to deal with TSA. What is a week off worth to you?

I'll gladly pay the $50. Even $100!!

Problem is, when they said it is about $50 per pilot that was spreading the cost across every pilot in the US. For it to be $50, EVERYBODY would have to do it. If only HALF do it the cost would be $100 per pilot, see where this is going?

If WE pay for it, the minimum will be $50. I bet it will be much higher.
 
OK. That sounds like a negotiations item. What are you willing to give the company for it? Because nothing comes for free.

PBS?

Coming to work and doing my job safely and professionally?

For 20 years we've gained every trip to the negotiating table. I don't think we've peaked yet.
 
We should be telling ALPA to lobby congress to fund CREWPASS. The government should be paying for this because we pay taxes already anyways.
 
How much $$ are we saving them with PBS?
It's more like you're making them more money to go into their pocket. Anything "saved" goes into managements pocket.

I'd be open to looking at changing the duty-in times at outstations to be 5-10 min closer to departure...reflecting the time saving of not having to go through security.

How long have you worked in the airline industry? How big is that bubble that you live in, where you think the airline would actually pay $50/per pilot to keep them from getting harassed by security? Most airlines don't even give out a ham during the holidays anymore, you're expecting them to fork out more money to convenience you?
If departing on time becomes an issue on first flights of the day because of the extra security, guess what? You're show time if going to be 5-10 minutes earlier, not the other way around. They don't care about your convenience.
If need be for rest requirements, they will delay that flight 5-10 minutes, but certainly not pay $50 so you can get through security faster.

Like NEVETS said, ALPA should be hitting up Congress to pay for this, but they won't. They fear in losing any "leverage" in the Capitol.

I love in the article how Prater says they don't want to "just make noise in the media"....but how many informational pickets do they do, just to make noise in the media?
 
The costs for this has already been paid through CASS It's just that historic aviation entities like ARINC & ALPA think Hey money for us we need to make a few mill off of this
 

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