ALPA Merger Policy?

[BeCareful!]

PR: that's quite different than "1500 out of 1750 AWA pilots below the most junior east pilot," which is what I was commenting on. So, yeah....you're just spinning away.

Ya know, if you'd just get a life all this wouldn't seem so serious

 

[JoeMerchant]

Can you feel the love.....

Just wait until we get AAA/UAL.....USAPA/ALPA.....We may crash the FI servor on that one....

Rez...you want some popcorn?

 

[Deadalus]

It's always fun watching guys like BeStupid! squirm.

 

[T-Bags]

Correct. I'd been reading that USAir was "done" for at least 18 years or more. Must have been true. It was even said on the Internet!

If you have been hearing how much U sucks for 18 years and didn't go get another job, then you DESERVE your p1sspoor seniority....

 

[4got2flare]

Did I miss something... Didn't USair and America west both agree to arbitration? If so does changing your union after a settlement change the outcome? Now what determines the senority list? The arbitration or do they start over again with west and east??? This could go on forever....

Happy landings...

 

[TWA Dude]

Did I miss something... Didn't USair and America west both agree to arbitration?

Yup. And nobody complained that the arbitrator was senile, incompetent, biased, or corrupt before he rendered his decision.

If so does changing your union after a settlement change the outcome?

No, all previous agreements are still in place. The AL-SAPA plan is to use their numerical advantage to re-negotiate everything with the complany to their advantage. Unethical and anti-union, to be sure, and on very shaky legal ground. They found a lawyer in need of business to tell them what they wanted to hear. Nobody else seems to think they can do it. We'll find out when their "professional" negotiator sits down with the company.

Now what determines the senority list?

Agreements between the union and the company. A seniority list can certainly be restructured. The issue at hand is whether a list can be restructured purely to the disadvantage of one distinct group. I'd say no.

The arbitration or do they start over again with west and east??? This could go on forever....

It won't go on forever -- one way or another...

 

[BeCareful!]

Yup. And nobody complained that the arbitrator was senile, incompetent, biased, or corrupt before he rendered his decision.

Well of course not. ALPA at least wanted to hear what the old man had to say

Reference to the Allegheny-Mohawk stuff (another thread, but whatever) we all know that DOH isn't stated, only that Mohawk pilots got DOH even though they'd been shut down for six months. Talk about pre-merge expectations....wow.

Anyway, I found this other little piece of A/M that might provide some comfort (?). Who knows (?), I'm sure Doug and Tilton have talked about how to avoid paying out anything on this, but here's to hope that I'll get 60% furlough pay through the LPP for a year or more. Going to do some major riding!

The LPPs referred to in the amendment were established by the CAB in 1972. The CAB routinely imposed LPPs in the 1950s and 60s in airline mergers and, in its 1972 Allegheny-Mohawk decision, formalized a standard set of LPPs granting specific forms of financial aid and other rights to employees affected by a CAB-approved merger. These provisions included:

• A "dismissal allowance" for employees who lost their job as a result of the merger, within three years from the effective date of the merger. This allowance was 60% of the employee's average monthly compensation for the prior twelve months in which the employee earned compensation before being deprived of employment as a result of the merger. The length of time the employee received this allowance varied based on the employee's length of service, with a maximum of five years for employees who had been employed for fifteen years or longer.

 

[imacdog]

Hey BeCareful,

Considering the actions of the US east pilot group to hurt their fellow pilots, when you get furloughed who do you think will hire you?

 

[PHXFLYR]

Don't worry,Be Careful will be able to flow back through to his old "off the street" Captain job at PSA and piss off a whole new generation of RJ F/O's trying to get their careers off the ground.

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Well of course not. ALPA at least wanted to hear what the old man had to say

Reference to the Allegheny-Mohawk stuff (another thread, but whatever) we all know that DOH isn't stated, only that Mohawk pilots got DOH even though they'd been shut down for six months. Talk about pre-merge expectations....wow.

Anyway, I found this other little piece of A/M that might provide some comfort (?). Who knows (?), I'm sure Doug and Tilton have talked about how to avoid paying out anything on this, but here's to hope that I'll get 60% furlough pay through the LPP for a year or more. Going to do some major riding!

The LPPs referred to in the amendment were established by the CAB in 1972. The CAB routinely imposed LPPs in the 1950s and 60s in airline mergers and, in its 1972 Allegheny-Mohawk decision, formalized a standard set of LPPs granting specific forms of financial aid and other rights to employees affected by a CAB-approved merger. These provisions included:​

• A "dismissal allowance" for employees who lost their job as a result of the merger, within three years from the effective date of the merger. This allowance was 60% of the employee's average monthly compensation for the prior twelve months in which the employee earned compensation before being deprived of employment as a result of the merger. The length of time the employee received this allowance varied based on the employee's length of service, with a maximum of five years for employees who had been employed for fifteen years or longer.

The only sedctions of Allegheny- Mohawk that applies in the recently enacted legislation is section 3 and 13. Idon't believe what you posted is either one. You guys really ought to think about doing some research before making yourself look like fools.(But then again it is damn entertaining to watch. ) Your group's apathy and ignorance in industry events and the world around you, is what led to USAPA's success in getting installed as the collective bargaining agent. It will also lead to its eventual failure.


PHXFLYR

 

[Prog 2/2]

Anyway, I found this other little piece of A/M that might provide some comfort (?). Who knows (?), I'm sure Doug and Tilton have talked about how to avoid paying out anything on this, but here's to hope that I'll get 60% furlough pay through the LPP for a year or more. Going to do some major riding!

The LPPs referred to in the amendment were established by the CAB in 1972. The CAB routinely imposed LPPs in the 1950s and 60s in airline mergers and, in its 1972 Allegheny-Mohawk decision, formalized a standard set of LPPs granting specific forms of financial aid and other rights to employees affected by a CAB-approved merger. These provisions included:​

• A "dismissal allowance" for employees who lost their job as a result of the merger, within three years from the effective date of the merger. This allowance was 60% of the employee's average monthly compensation for the prior twelve months in which the employee earned compensation before being deprived of employment as a result of the merger. The length of time the employee received this allowance varied based on the employee's length of service, with a maximum of five years for employees who had been employed for fifteen years or longer.

I'm sure, since this is is a "CAB-approved" merger, that they'll get that money right out to you in the event of a furlough.

Is ignorance a prerequisite for following USAPA?

Or is it just that being in that group leads to stupidity?

 

[johnnyb]

So, I know AWA AAA was a disaster. The only other merger with ALPA merger policy was Polar and Atlas.
How did that work out using ALPA merger policy? Did it work out in the end?

Marty

The Atlas/Polar merger continues to be just as big a disaster as the AWA/US Airways (and soon Delta/ NWA) nightmare.

Or, were you asking about the SLI specifically?

 

[Occam's Razor]

Merger Policy is a tool. Some groups know how to use it, and some don't.

4,000 years ago, Egyptians built enormous pyramids with simple tools. Those pyramids are still standing...testament to their effective use of tools.

The guy who owns the farm next to our's lost an arm in a tool.

 

[regionaltard]

Merger Policy is a tool. Some groups know how to use it, and some don't.

4,000 years ago, Egyptians built enormous pyramids with simple tools. Those pyramids are still standing...testament to their effective use of tools.

The guy who owns the farm next to our's lost an arm in a tool.

Maybe the East folks just forgot to file their Merger Policy revisions. BTW, didn't the Scientologist's build the pyramids?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Merger Policy is a tool. Some groups know how to use it, and some don't.

4,000 years ago, Egyptians built enormous pyramids with simple tools. Those pyramids are still standing...testament to their effective use of tools.

The guy who owns the farm next to our's lost an arm in a tool.

...and tools can be used as weapons....