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ALPA Membership

Vrefus

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It's correct to say that it depends on the state that determines whether it's mandatory or an option to join a union. I believe in FL for instance it's called the Sunshine Law where it is optional. Here in NC it is also optional but if you choose not to join there are still dues or service charge deducted from your paycheck.

The first year that you are with the company and in the union, you pay nothing as an apprentice. In saying this, you are also ineligible to vote on union matters or hold office in the union. As your probationary period is up, the local membership votes you in to the union, if you've kept your nose clean. It's rare to have someone not voted in especially if they've made it through probation.

As for being a member, I don't see the benefits in not being a member unless you are adamantly opposed philosophically to union practices. They do offer excellent services at times. But, lastly, the union is only as good as your local chapter called the LEC and your local MEC. That's where the ball starts to roll.
 

DUBLINFLYER

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Ask the guys who were with AirTran how ALPA worked out for them, it was a money grab as usual by ALPA and they continued to milk the pilots until the final day without helping them.
I had a friend flying for Ryan Int. and when FedEx got the postal contract they were furloughed and ALPA continued to send out demand letters for dues. They again did nothing to help the little people - just send them money
 

PCL_128

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I was at AirTran, and ALPA got me a massive pay raise. I'd say it worked pretty well.
 

Kharma Police

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The turd in the urinal at the ATL Renaissance hotel during the SWAPA party for Airtran ALPA personifies ALPA. Nothing but a nasty laughable turd in the airline industry that spoils the party, does little good and has to be cleaned up.
 

DUBLINFLYER

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PCL,
The only reason you got a big pay raise was because SWA bough AT, How could you get a big pay raise if you left the SWA? or are you now drinking the SWA cool aid, hard to compare SWA rates to Walmart's
 

Kharma Police

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PCL,
The only reason you got a big pay raise was because SWA bough AT, How could you get a big pay raise if you left the SWA? or are you now drinking the SWA cool aid, hard to compare SWA rates to Walmart's

True, but sadly SWAPA doesn't understand that just like with Airtran, we will get a contract when Gary decides it's time.
 

redflyer65

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True, but sadly SWAPA doesn't understand that just like with Airtran, we will get a contract when Gary decides it's time.

I'd prefer to wait compared to ALPA bloviating about how they are going to stay strong with an awesome contract (reference the DALPA President video) and then dropping a TA turd.
 

PCL_128

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PCL,
The only reason you got a big pay raise was because SWA bough AT


You might be able to convince your fellow SWAholes of that ignorant rhetoric, but it won't work on someone who was there negotiating the deal, you dolt.
 

Tripower455

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I'd prefer to wait compared to ALPA bloviating about how they are going to stay strong with an awesome contract (reference the DALPA President video) and then dropping a TA turd.

Me too.


Unfortunately this has been SWApA's game plan since, forever.....

Get ready to vote YES! for codeshare, errr, "interline" and "market rates"!
 

Kharma Police

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You might be able to convince your fellow SWAholes of that ignorant rhetoric, but it won't work on someone who was there negotiating the deal, you dolt.

You don't find it the least bit coincidental that we got a contract shortly after SWA bought us after years of foot dragging?
 

DUBLINFLYER

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PCL - great negotiating skills round 1 "Say No" round 2 please everyone "Say Yes"
I didn't know you were an ALPA lackey
 

PCL_128

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You don't find it the least bit coincidental that we got a contract shortly after SWA bought us after years of foot dragging?

It wasn't years of foot dragging. It was 18 months of significant progress, and we were almost done by the time SWA came around. Before the merger came around, we were already expecting to either be finished or be released within a few months. If you don't want to believe me, ask any of the NC members.
 

Kharma Police

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It wasn't years of foot dragging. It was 18 months of significant progress, and we were almost done by the time SWA came around. Before the merger came around, we were already expecting to either be finished or be released within a few months. If you don't want to believe me, ask any of the NC members.

It was little to no progress, the sections TAed had to do with hot button issues like pilots being taken hostage by terrorists, how long we can grow our fingernails and what color socks we could wear. We got a contract because SW management ordered it so. Kolski or whoever replaced him would still be running circles around the NC and the ALPA mouth breather lawyers if we hadn't been bought. I understand you have your version of the truth, that's cool, but you still haven't answered why we magically got a contract shortly after we were purchased.
 
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PCL_128

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I have answered it. You simply refuse to accept facts, and instead want to listen to bullsh!t from people who weren't there. The contract was almost finished in a marathon bargaining session in Florida several months before the merger was even announced. Very few items were left after that. The idea that we had only TA'd minor items is pure ignorance. You just don't know what you're talking about.
 

Kharma Police

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I have answered it. You simply refuse to accept facts, and instead want to listen to bullsh!t from people who weren't there. The contract was almost finished in a marathon bargaining session in Florida several months before the merger was even announced. Very few items were left after that. The idea that we had only TA'd minor items is pure ignorance. You just don't know what you're talking about.

You understand that the two sides were talking for almost a year before the purchase was announced? You think other than coins and two sided ducks that little issues like labor contracts were discussed and ironed out before the deal was done?
 

PCL_128

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No one inks TA'd sections just because they're "in talks" about a merger. They ink the sections because they can live with them either way.

Besides, what you suggest is blatantly illegal and could send Gary and VdV to jail for many years. Is that what you're alleging about your beloved leaders?
 
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