ALPA ...like 1930's Germany...agree or youre out!!

[seahorse3]

WOW, Ferlo---take a deep breath, man....and put the coffee down!!

So, the use of FPL to use their time to fight what they perceive to be an injustice by the ALPA leadership and the arbitrator constitutes fraud and abuse? Any rough estimate on how much FPL was billed for their time? Or just throwing around accusations?.....

There is a large contingent of pilots, some young, some not so young (most certainly not decrepit old men) who have had to file a lawsuit in order for ALPA to own up to the fact that they gave a seniority list they knew to be flawed to the arbitrator...a point that was openly pointed out to be an error by the pilots chosen to observe the proceedings. That is the basis for the lawsuit...time will tell whether the preponderance of the evidence will convince a judge or not.

By the way....I would support you just as eagerly if you had evidence that the seniority list given to the arbitrator for your pilot group was seriously flawed.

Any proof to the rumor that all...all...the other unionized groups at AAA and AWA reached agreements utilizing seniority as the mechanism for merging the lists? Not that ALPA is bound to follow such a simple, time proven concept........

 

[ferlo]

Seahorse,

I do drink too much coffee, however let's be honest. USAPA was born as a direct result of the Nic. award. Re-ordering the seniority list is their prime and solitary mission. They are delusional enough to believe that their simple majority can, with impunity, impose whatever they want on America West. Hence the SCAB designation. They ignore, (because it's the easiest thing to do) the fact that recent legislation specifically prohibits that from happening.

What you're referring to is a separate issue that is ancillary to their Nic. problem. It's incredible how far people will go to believe what they want to believe. USAPA organizers are a pack of scrambling liars trying to divert attention away from the fact that it was US Airways own elected officials, that screwed the pooch so badly.

They, at the rabid insistence of the pilot group, got way, way, way to greedy, (DOH - staple all of America West). They wanted to make up for 20 years of a nearly worthless career at the sole expense of completely innocent America West pilots, in one single windfall. Well, hogs get slaughtered. USAPA hasn't learned that lesson yet. How many times do they need to get their asses handed to them.

Even if they end up winning this sham of an "election", it will ultimately be just another huge loss. USAPA cannot function for the sole benefit of the EAST. They will be sued out of existence in short order because there is no way they can fight a DFR suit. Ironically, USAPA will be DOA if successful. They're promising the world to the East. They're selling as one huge "do over" for their pathetic careers. It's impossible. USAPA cannot even begin to fulfill their promises.

 

[MCDU]

Tell that to the number one guy at USAIR EAST. Had him on my J/S PHL to TPA. DOH 01/23/1973. He hates ALPA and cannot wait to vote for USAPA. The top 500 are almost all going to vote out ALPA and they did get their DOH. So no, its not all about the flawed list that shows active pilots holding positions as ALPA officers as furloughed even though they were holding union positions. How is that possible?Alpa says you can not be furloughed and hold a ALPA position like treasurer. WTF

Marty

 

[MCDU]

They wanted to make up for 20 years of a nearly worthless career at the sole expense of completely innocent America West pilots

How times change.

It has not been 20years. It was 9/11 that changed everything. USAir was a great place to be. Best work and best pay. Then 9/11 and the whole thing changed.

 

[ferlo]

Tell that to the number on guy at USAIR EAST. Had him on my J/S PHL to TPA. DOH 01/23/1973. He hates ALPA and cannot wait to vote for USAPA. The top 500 are almost all going to vote out ALPA and they did get their DOH. So no, its not all about the flawed list that shows active pilots holding positions as ALPA officers as furloughed even though they were holding union positions. How is that possible. Alpa says you can not be furloughed and hold a ALPA position like treasurer. WTF

Marty

I wonder about the top guys. They'll be sitting there ready to cast their vote...5 more years to work...no pension...sh*t payrates...and they'll be thinking about, expensive assessments from USAPA, (expensive because the west won't pay a dime). Many have "round 2" families...young kids at home who'll need to go to college...I wonder how they'll vote?

Do you think a senior US AIR captain is going to throw away potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars, just a few years away from a wrecked retirement just because of some pissed off F.O.'s? How's the record of the senior US AIR guys eating their young?

Easy to wear a lanyard, hard to vote for the poorhouse. We'll see.

 

[Carl S.]

Flawed list, MDA pilot status and various problems only pop up when the arbitrator ruled. Sounds like an attorney who wants to retry his case after a loss. No do overs in binding arbitration unless corruption is found. Nic. still retains jurisdiction on the award, why not question him about the "flawed" list that the East presented.

 

[MCDU]

Yes, we will see. The numbers will speak for themselves.

 

[ferlo]

They wanted to make up for 20 years of a nearly worthless career at the sole expense of completely innocent America West pilots

How times change.

It has not been 20years. It was 9/11 that changed everything. USAir was a great place to be. Best work and best pay. Then 9/11 and the whole thing changed.

ALPA got you Parity +1%. "Best work and best pay"? ALPA again. You forgot that part. Fact, you have Jr. F.O's with 20 years longevity. Post 9-11, it was Wolf and his sidekick Hadji that parked over 100 jets in the desert...not ALPA. That's where the jobs went, not to America West.

You want to upgrade fast? Go to the mojave and sit in left seat of the stripped out carcass of your former airline. The East isn't entitled to anything. Seniority, is not longevity and you know it.

Look Familiar?http://www.airliners.net/photo/-/-/0370186&prev_id=0413958&next_id=0621603
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USAir/Boeing-737-3B7/0341946&prev_id=0331430&next_id=0867553

 

[Crzipilot]

Actually wolfie got us parity +1%. at the time alpa viewed it as a concessionary contract, until the numbers turned in our favor. At that point the GAG thumped their chests in all the glory of saving the day....

 

[Prog 2/2]

Yes, we will see. The numbers will speak for themselves.

Yep.

And the numbers always reside on the side in the right, don't they?

What you are trying to do is simple tyranny of the majority.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It has not been 20years. It was 9/11 that changed everything. USAir was a great place to be. Best work and best pay. Then 9/11 and the whole thing changed.

Then sue and blame 9/11