ALPA files for election at ATI

[wickedride]

But I guess it helps that ABX and Astar are flying out of TOL? Whose routes are those?

Something bigger is going on.

But back to the subject, none of us looks to ALPA as our savior and hero. We stuck with the devil we knew and continued to get burned. 1224 showed their colors before they even had a hook on our revenue stream. So we've elected to try a new evil. It is my hope and belief that at least ALPA's presence will result in a reasonable contract in much shorter order than what we've experienced so far 5 years into our two steps forward three steps back status quo. Then we'll deal with whether or not ALPA wants to help us down the road. Could it be worse than the representation we've "enjoyed" so far? Sure. But we're willing to give it a shot.

I did not know they were flying the BAX system. In that case I apoligize but I agree that "Something is rotten in Denmark"

 

[Cardinal]

Voting out Local 747 this spring was the greatest thing the Great Lakes pilot has done in the last decade. Whether or not 747 could acutally accomplish anything, the corruption and ineptitude had become a massive impediment to pilot unity. There was a crisis of confidence among the pilot group, and any effort was discounted at the outset because it bore the brand of a suspect organization. Only after Lakes decertified them did the trusteeship, and indictments occur. Vindication.

 

[hvydriver]

But I guess it helps that ABX and Astar are flying out of TOL? Whose routes are those?

707,

Not getting picky here, but you're neglecting to mention the 5 Cappys and 1 ATI DC8 on the ramp in CVG. It's an abortion of a mutual "block space" agreement between DB/DHL. And there are no Astar a/c going through TOL anymore. The only times lately that we did is while we still had the last B727 sitting hot standby. It flew quite a bit to TOL from what I saw on rescue missions for Cappy. I think what everyone either fails to realize, or just doesn't want to admit, is that there isn't any "our routes" stuff anymore for any one except Purples and Browns. (I know you didn't say that, just thought I'd toss in my .02.) Welcome to the brave new world of ACMI. It isn't worth it.

 

[b707guy]

No picky-ness noted, hvy and wicked! There are all kinds of things going on right under our noses that we're probably not aware of. I don't know where ABX goes from TOL - it may be simply a CVG connection or something Cappy had traditionally done. I don't know under what pretense or agreement our jet is doing in CVG. And I sure didn't know Cappy has 5 in CVG. All I knew about them is that they have twice the aircraft we have in TOL and every one of theirs is gone every night while there are at least 4 and up to 6 of ours sitting there during the day. There's a CVG connection that takes place frequently in ROC (usually a Cappy run) and also a DHL system connection in BFI, I think out of Vancouver, which is one of ours. How much for a peek into that crystal ball???

 

[hvydriver]

707,

There is no monetary reason why I will not hold forth on where I think DHL is headed. Let me go set up a Paypal account, ok?

 

[cfire]

Voting out Local 747 this spring was the greatest thing the Great Lakes pilot has done in the last decade. Whether or not 747 could acutally accomplish anything, the corruption and ineptitude had become a massive impediment to pilot unity. There was a crisis of confidence among the pilot group, and any effort was discounted at the outset because it bore the brand of a suspect organization. Only after Lakes decertified them did the trusteeship, and indictments occur. Vindication.

Guess you missed the removal of the heads of 747 and federal investigations of those individuals. Meaningful changes have been made, it just doesn't happen overnight. Try to get ALPA do what Bourne has done in his short tenure.

 

[bigboeings]

Guess you missed the removal of the heads of 747 and federal investigations of those individuals. Meaningful changes have been made, it just doesn't happen overnight. Try to get ALPA do what Bourne has done in his short tenure.

He hasn't done squat for us here at NAA!!!!

 

[b707guy]

707,

There is no monetary reason why I will not hold forth on where I think DHL is headed. Let me go set up a Paypal account, ok?

Does Paypal accept frosty libations as a form of payment?:beer:

 

[hvydriver]

Does Paypal accept frosty libations as a form of payment?:beer:

Why yes, I believe it does!

 

[pilotpm]

ALPA is by no means the end all beat all. BUT having been through this same deal at ATA, There is no comparison between the thuggish and corrupt IBT and the overly political and stuck up ALPA. ALPA is by far the lesser of two evils. They are really the only viable option for a Co. the size of ATI. Not enough bodies on the property to go independent and you would be looney toons to decertify with Cappy and ABX both unionized and very active. However it turns out, the union is only as good as those willing to serve at the local level. Good luck to you all!!

 

[ABUSED PILOT]

Having been through all forms of unions representation. For a small group of pilots APLA is the best bang for the buck. The programs they have are unmatched, {Health care} Life insurance} and Legal. Not that they can solve all your problems, at least your getting something while you wait for a new contract.

 

[cfire]

You may want to keep a serious eye on the upcoming Presidents election if you are a non-legacy carrier. I believe there is a plan to recover funds to get back in the black at ALPA. Believe they plan on making the non legacy carriers pay extra outside of union dues for other services. Prater is one and I think one other that has shown an interest in the election.

As far as insurance and medical. I'm an Atlas guys and I've found that they have some via Harvey Watt during our staging at local 1224 (Life, loss of license, med consultation). Used their medical consultation dept. not long ago and got my life and loss of license moved over also when we decertified ALPA. Feds wanted the standard yank the medical for 6 months and the medical consultation team over there got me back the medical in just over a week. I should have worked with them earlier than I did and saved myself some trouble.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Funny how your "experience" with Alpa aeromedical mirrors exactly what some of my co-workers who were forced to join USAPA "under duress" experienced using Harvey Watt.

PHXFLYR

 

[cfire]

I guess I didn't do a very good job explaining. It was the Harvey Watt consultation dept that got my medical back. Probably would not have happened if I worked with them first. Most folks physicians I come to find out generally don't know what key words the FAA wants to hear in reports.

As far as the life and loss of license they took up where we left ALPA. If you did it in a 90 day window, they covered you without extra exams.

 

[PCL_128]

You may want to keep a serious eye on the upcoming Presidents election if you are a non-legacy carrier. I believe there is a plan to recover funds to get back in the black at ALPA. Believe they plan on making the non legacy carriers pay extra outside of union dues for other services. Prater is one and I think one other that has shown an interest in the election.

Absolutely false.