ALPA files for election at ATI

[cfire]

Voting out Local 747 this spring was the greatest thing the Great Lakes pilot has done in the last decade. Whether or not 747 could acutally accomplish anything, the corruption and ineptitude had become a massive impediment to pilot unity. There was a crisis of confidence among the pilot group, and any effort was discounted at the outset because it bore the brand of a suspect organization. Only after Lakes decertified them did the trusteeship, and indictments occur. Vindication.

Guess you missed the removal of the heads of 747 and federal investigations of those individuals. Meaningful changes have been made, it just doesn't happen overnight. Try to get ALPA do what Bourne has done in his short tenure.

 

[bigboeings]

Guess you missed the removal of the heads of 747 and federal investigations of those individuals. Meaningful changes have been made, it just doesn't happen overnight. Try to get ALPA do what Bourne has done in his short tenure.

He hasn't done squat for us here at NAA!!!!

 

[b707guy]

707,

There is no monetary reason why I will not hold forth on where I think DHL is headed. Let me go set up a Paypal account, ok?

Does Paypal accept frosty libations as a form of payment?:beer:

 

[hvydriver]

Does Paypal accept frosty libations as a form of payment?:beer:

Why yes, I believe it does!

 

[pilotpm]

ALPA is by no means the end all beat all. BUT having been through this same deal at ATA, There is no comparison between the thuggish and corrupt IBT and the overly political and stuck up ALPA. ALPA is by far the lesser of two evils. They are really the only viable option for a Co. the size of ATI. Not enough bodies on the property to go independent and you would be looney toons to decertify with Cappy and ABX both unionized and very active. However it turns out, the union is only as good as those willing to serve at the local level. Good luck to you all!!

 

[ABUSED PILOT]

Having been through all forms of unions representation. For a small group of pilots APLA is the best bang for the buck. The programs they have are unmatched, {Health care} Life insurance} and Legal. Not that they can solve all your problems, at least your getting something while you wait for a new contract.

 

[cfire]

You may want to keep a serious eye on the upcoming Presidents election if you are a non-legacy carrier. I believe there is a plan to recover funds to get back in the black at ALPA. Believe they plan on making the non legacy carriers pay extra outside of union dues for other services. Prater is one and I think one other that has shown an interest in the election.

As far as insurance and medical. I'm an Atlas guys and I've found that they have some via Harvey Watt during our staging at local 1224 (Life, loss of license, med consultation). Used their medical consultation dept. not long ago and got my life and loss of license moved over also when we decertified ALPA. Feds wanted the standard yank the medical for 6 months and the medical consultation team over there got me back the medical in just over a week. I should have worked with them earlier than I did and saved myself some trouble.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Funny how your "experience" with Alpa aeromedical mirrors exactly what some of my co-workers who were forced to join USAPA "under duress" experienced using Harvey Watt.

PHXFLYR

 

[cfire]

I guess I didn't do a very good job explaining. It was the Harvey Watt consultation dept that got my medical back. Probably would not have happened if I worked with them first. Most folks physicians I come to find out generally don't know what key words the FAA wants to hear in reports.

As far as the life and loss of license they took up where we left ALPA. If you did it in a 90 day window, they covered you without extra exams.

 

[PCL_128]

You may want to keep a serious eye on the upcoming Presidents election if you are a non-legacy carrier. I believe there is a plan to recover funds to get back in the black at ALPA. Believe they plan on making the non legacy carriers pay extra outside of union dues for other services. Prater is one and I think one other that has shown an interest in the election.

Absolutely false.

 

[cfire]

Absolutely false.

Being that I got the information from those that work at ALPA Herndon that I had developed a relationship over the past nine years when I was ALPA. I guess it could be subject to bias, but I doubt it.

I imagine it would be with less biased than what an MEC member of a non-legacy ALPA carrier would get while talking to Prater himself. I imagine he would tell you what he wanted you to hear vs reality. He does that often.

 

[PCL_128]

Being that I got the information from those that work at ALPA Herndon that I had developed a relationship over the past nine years when I was ALPA.

I can't find anyone left in Herndon that has an ounce of respect for you, so I doubt that.

 

[cfire]

Now I know your only talking to Prater or his flunkies. Do you honestly think they will tell you the truth about his plans when they collide with your non legacy position? Are you that fixated at becoming one of the chosen that you are willing to forget the welfare of your own group?

What am I saying, of course you are. Just like putting a carrot in front of a mule. That's what John P. likes about you.

You seriously need to step outside your little buddy circle and do some checking on what is really going on.

As far as respect, you would be surprised at the number ALPA carriers who have requested help on initiating a decertification after Atlas left ALPA. Enough to convince me we were not wrong and that there is something wrong at ALPA. Kind of like Animal Farm. We are all equal, just some of us are more equal than others seems to be the ALPA National motto.

 

[PCL_128]

Now I know your only talking to Prater or his flunkies.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

 

[ABUSED PILOT]

Tell us what is better now. Why did you leave ALPA. And how does the company treat the pilot group.

 

[cfire]

We now have contract negotiations/merger progressively moving forward when it was purposely stopped before in the interest of a minority carrier group that happened to vote for the recent ALPA President.

No more whipsawing between the two merging carriers concerned that was allowed by ALPA National previously.

We have better control of our finances. Dues money comes to our local and then a fee forwarded to Teamsters National unlike how everything goes to ALPA National and is farmed back out to the councils depending on your political clout within you carrier group. I could go way deeper on this one.

Progression of completed grievances getting resolved that were meeting a financial roadblock of non support at ALPA National. Cleared numerous grievances that were stagnant and unfinanced representationally at ALPA.

More control. At ALPA, the non legacies can only get about a 49% voting block on National matters. Legacies will always maintain a majority and the rest just takes it as it comes. All part of why there are groups (A,B,C and subgroups) airline groups if you didn't notice before. You'll note that it totals up to the non-legacies not getting equal voting leverage.

The Teamsters National agenda of not subcontracting out American jobs out to foreign countries. At Atlas AACS/AABO crew leasing (STN England) was dismantled removed under that pressure and resulted in more US pilot/FE jobs being retained in the US. Also got rid of 17 Atlas seniority jumping captains that made great gains at that AACS/AABO crew leasing union busting operation along with the @50-60 offshore union busting pilots. ALPA didn't care about AACS/AABO and were more concerned about not spending their money on fighting the union busting construct than keep US jobs.

Immediate representation on Capital Hill with congress on a number of things. Also reflected with the removal of AACS/AABO. At ALPA, we cargo carriers only got that if it was in line with what the legacies wanted at the time.

There is some more, but this is what I can remember off the top of my head just after decertifying ALPA to now at Atlas.

 

[MCDU]

game set match

for cfire

 

[ABUSED PILOT]

Game set match. Do you have any idea what your talking about.

 

[FastHap]

Let me see if I have this correct.

David Bourne told Gene Sewell, and the ATI crewmembers, they would not be able to purposely undercut (accept a sub-standard contract) any other Teamster pilot group (ABX Air) and that's why you voted in ALPA?

Unbefreakinglievable!