ALPA endorses Clinton

[pilotyip]

pleeeeeeeeeeease

A........then I woke up.

No you didn't, stop dealing in fantasy you pursued an airline pilot's career, a great path to middle class income

 

[PCL_128]

No you didn't, stop dealing in fantasy you pursued an airline pilot's career, a great path to middle class income

Being a pilot used to be a great path to an upper-class income.....until people like John McCain changed all that.

 

[G-force]

Over-taxed!!!!!!!!

Now that's fuzzy math. Examples:

Middle-class pilot making $65k per year pays $4,030 per year, or a flat 6.2% of his income into the SS program.

Middle-class pilot making $97,500 per year pays $6,045 per year, or a flat 6.2% of his income into the SS program. This is the absolute max that can be contributed under the current scheme.

Now, upper-class executive making $400k per year pays the same $6,045, or just 1.5% of his income into the SS program. He makes $302,500 more than the previous pilot (a 310% difference), but pays a fraction of the percentage that the pilot pays into the SS program. This is a direct tax on the middle class and poor, while the rich practically get a free ride. Unconscionable.


Under Obama's plan, everybody pays the same 6.2% of their income, whether they make $50k or $500k. Now that's fair.For many Americans, there is no benefits package!!! That's exactly why we have to have these ridiculous programs like SS and Medicaid. Employers don't treat their employees like human beings, so the government has to pick up the tab to make sure there's a safety net. Otherwise you end up with a huge burden on society from homeless elderly and sick lower-class workers. If companies like WalMart had to provide these programs for even the lowest-paid employees, maybe the government could get out of the retirement savings business.

Now dude,you say RAISE the ceiling on all income earners to PAY 6.2% of all income into the Social Security Trust Fund,while this sounds fair,have you run the projections?? Is it indeed going to do what you CLAIM it will ?? People in the higher income brackets still feel that they are OVER-TAXED!!In fact EVERYBODY feels that they are overtaxed!!!What about the AMT? what would you do about this? It is causing more and more taxpayers to be caught in this,since it is NOT INDEXED to INFLATION!! Go back and do some more homework!!!!

As far your boy,Sen Rookie from Ill.with no experience,he still has NOT won the Election yet!!
As far as the Dem majorities in the Congress,they are as sorry as they can be,but you believe they will increase their majorities in both chambers!!Let me remind you,the VOTES have NOT been counted yet!!!

 

[PCL_128]

Now dude,you say RAISE the ceiling on all income earners to PAY 6.2% of all income into the Social Security Trust Fund,while this sounds fair,have you run the projections?? Is it indeed going to do what you CLAIM it will ??

It isn't the entire solution, it is a part of the solution, and it keeps the SS Trust Fund solvent for many years to come. Combined with weening people off of SS and into company-provided retirement plans, we can turn SS into exactly what it was always intended to be: a safety net.

People in the higher income brackets still feel that they are OVER-TAXED!!

Of course they do. They're greedy as hell. You expect them to just offer up more of their own volition? If government only received taxes that the people wanted to pay, then government wouldn't function.

What about the AMT? what would you do about this?

Eliminate it. I don't know of a single candidate that agrees with the current AMT. It will soon start eating into the incomes of the middle-class.

Let me remind you,the VOTES have NOT been counted yet!!!

If you think that the Reps will make gains in the Congress, then you're an even bigger idiot than I thought.

 

[atrdriver]

I want the millionaires to pay their fair of the tax burden. That's all. Poor gullible yip. Just more internet folklore that never actually happened. Read this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pelosi.asp

So the fact that the top 5% of income earners pay about 90% of taxes isn't good enough for you, huh? Don't call people gullible when you start talking about re-distributing wealth.

 

[atrdriver]

He also suggest requiring employers to provide a retirement fund in the form of a 401(k) or IRA. That would get Americans on the way to providing for their own retirement rather than depending on the government.

And yet, when Bush suggested that part of the money put aside for SS taxes be invested by individuals the left came unglued. Overall the return on investment for the government run SS is something on the order of 1.5%, over it's entire history. If Joe Worker did nothing more than put that money in the bank he would get substantially more than that.

 

[atrdriver]

Obama isn't going to raise your income tax rates. This is the SS tax, commonly called the "payroll tax."

Oh jesus, what difference does it make what they CALL the tax? He is aiming to raise taxes. That's as bad as Kerry saying that he didn't own an SUV, because it was registered in his wifes name.

 

[G-force]

Flat Tax

It isn't the entire solution, it is a part of the solution, and it keeps the SS Trust Fund solvent for many years to come. Combined with weening people off of SS and into company-provided retirement plans, we can turn SS into exactly what it was always intended to be: a safety net.Of course they do. They're greedy as hell. You expect them to just offer up more of their own volition? If government only received taxes that the people wanted to pay, then government wouldn't function.Eliminate it. I don't know of a single candidate that agrees with the current AMT. It will soon start eating into the incomes of the middle-class.If you think that the Reps will make gains in the Congress, then you're an even bigger idiot than I thought.

All of you bleeding-heart do-gooders think that all problems can be solved by RAISING EVERYONE'S TAXES!This has already been tried,and it failed.
We need a FLAT TAX!! All income earners pay 20%,corporations & small business pay 20%,because it would be FAIR !!!!
Kill the AMT!! All income earners would pay into SS system based on all their income,your idea dude,but a good one nonetheless!!!

 

[atrdriver]

Now that's fuzzy math. Examples:

Middle-class pilot making $65k per year pays $4,030 per year, or a flat 6.2% of his income into the SS program.

Middle-class pilot making $97,500 per year pays $6,045 per year, or a flat 6.2% of his income into the SS program. This is the absolute max that can be contributed under the current scheme.

Now, upper-class executive making $400k per year pays the same $6,045, or just 1.5% of his income into the SS program. He makes $302,500 more than the previous pilot (a 310% difference), but pays a fraction of the percentage that the pilot pays into the SS program. This is a direct tax on the middle class and poor, while the rich practically get a free ride. Unconscionable.

And when he retires, that top executive won't get any more money OUT of the SS program than that pilot making 60K a year. If he puts more in, then the executive should get more out. But not according to Democrats. Sorry, just another example of wealth distribution, just this time future tense.

 

[PCL_128]

So the fact that the top 5% of income earners pay about 90% of taxes isn't good enough for you, huh?

You want to talk about the dollar amount that they contribute, when the real measure should be the percentage of their own income that they contribute. An upper-class income earner shouldn't be able to pay only 20% of his income while the middle-class family that's struggling to get by has to pay 25%.