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ALPA East Response to USAPA vote

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Colonel Savage

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April 17, 2008


Fellow Pilots,

I am, as you would expect, very disappointed and saddened by the NMB election results.

I want to point out that your ALPA MEC kept its promises to you, including protecting you from the harmful effects of the Nicolau Award. That’s something of which I am proud. Since May 3, 2007 when the award was released, our pilots have continued to receive the career advancements they were due. We successfully garnered the support of ALPA National for continued separate operations and our litigation in DC Superior Court was progressing on track. Also, our efforts to reach a consensual solution with the AWA pilots were never abandoned, and I remained optimistic that we would ultimately be successful in that pursuit. I want to thank all of the pilots who voted for ALPA and who believed in the MEC and our plans to deliver permanent solutions to the Nicolau Award and to provide long-overdue improvements in pay, benefits and working conditions.

I’m afraid that the road ahead of us now will be long, difficult and fraught with internal legal disputes. We’ve lost our ability to litigate the Award and to get our day in court. We won’t have the ability to work out consensual solutions with the AWA pilots, and we’ve now given up our right to separate Section 6 negotiations with the Company. By slamming the MECs together, we have lost the ability for a separate ratification process, have galvanized the Nicolau Award unaltered, and have severely jeopardized the protections of separate operations and keeping our own attrition.

Instead, we’ve been thrown into an untenable position that leaves us with little leverage to use against management for contract improvements and seniority protection, not to mention losing access to a multi-million dollar Major Contingency Fund that AAA pilots have fed for years. It will not be long before consolidation overtakes US Airways and we’re merging with yet another pilot group. This time, with larger airlines and pilot groups in play, we are very likely to be in the minority—and we may soon regret the fact that USAPA believes that simply being in the majority should determine seniority.

I do understand your anger both at the seniority hand we were dealt and at your national union. However, I’m afraid that we’ve cut off our nose to spite our face. We are placing our future in the hands of an untested union at a time when on-the-job training will not be enough to address the significant and imminent industry challenges ahead. Better pilot representation isn't carried out by telling people only what they want to hear—it's done by giving pilots the facts and having the resources, both financial and otherwise, to be successful.

Having done union work for nearly 20 years, it will be extremely difficult for me to watch what happens to our pilot group now, knowing it didn’t have to be this way. The next few years will be a difficult time for us. But I do know that our pilots have become resilient—you don’t survive two bankruptcies, a lost pension and several restructurings without that strength and resolve.

I know that whatever life throws at us, we’ll be able to handle. You know the saying, “Whatever doesn’t kill us only makes us stronger.” I look forward to the day when we’re all stronger and marching shoulder to shoulder again, just like at our historic 2006 picketing event in CLT. I welcome the day that our pilot group is once again unified and fighting the real enemy—not each other, but a greedy management. Good luck to us all and continue to look out for each other.

Fraternally,

Capt. Jack Stephan
 
Can somebody verify for me that "West" guys also voted in this NMB Cert. ballot? Or was it just the "East" voting?

And if anyone knows, the number of eligible West and East voters respectively?

Thanks.
 
Can somebody verify for me that "West" guys also voted in this NMB Cert. ballot? Or was it just the "East" voting?

And if anyone knows, the number of eligible West and East voters respectively?

Thanks.

Yes we did vote in this horse$hit election however the east had 1000 more pilots on their side. The really sad part is they never learn from their past. Every decision is made with emotion without the benefit of intellect. USAir will soon join the list of extinct carriers as a result of total disharmony. Management wins yet again while pilots lose.

WD.
 
Now Jack won't have to explain his marital status/dating habits to anyone...including the pilot he threw under the bus for questioning this.
 
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Its a very sad day. Unfortunately, I lots of lawsuits, membership assessments, and bitter/hard feelings for both the East and West pilots for many years to come.
 
Can somebody verify for me that "West" guys also voted in this NMB Cert. ballot? Or was it just the "East" voting?

And if anyone knows, the number of eligible West and East voters respectively?

Total voter count was 5241 (actual active is only about 4300, but lots of LOA types included in the vote).

Total usapa vote was 2723, alpa 2254. That's 95% participation of eligible voters.

Turnout out west was 98% FOR ALPA with a small handful of non-voters and usapa voters. That means about 500 +/- East pilots voted for ALPA.

We have been removed from our union in a hostile fashion and things will be unpleasant here for some time to come. Be glad you're not part of this mess.
 
So what jack does with whats in his pants should determine if you want to give up all the good things ALPA did have?

Yea Tejas you sure make a good case for USAPA, don't just vote out Jack and get a new MEC in, lets F up everything.
 
That's what you get when say 22 years of membership gets you 7. Name any other union that would do that to its members....
 
And show me any union that will give you senority for time spent out on the street while furloughed.


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
That's what you get when say 22 years of membership gets you 7. Name any other union that would do that to its members....
Yet another genious who doesn't understand the difference between seniority and longevity. No Easties lost any seniority in the Nicolau Award.
 
Since May 3, 2007 when the award was released, our pilots have continued to receive the career advancements they were due. We successfully garnered the support of ALPA National for continued separate operations and our litigation in DC Superior Court was progressing on track.


I'm guessing that it never occurred to him that this was ALPA's greatest failure in this whole mess.
 
Total voter count was 5241 (actual active is only about 4300, but lots of LOA types included in the vote).

Total usapa vote was 2723, alpa 2254. That's 95% participation of eligible voters.

Turnout out west was 98% FOR ALPA with a small handful of non-voters and usapa voters. That means about 500 +/- East pilots voted for ALPA.

We have been removed from our union in a hostile fashion and things will be unpleasant here for some time to come. Be glad you're not part of this mess.

Gotcha. Thanks for the info. I truly feel for you guys and wish the best for all of you who had the common sense not to let selfish emotion get in the way of your thought process.

Best of luck to you guys.
 
The East pilot continue to bring themselves down another notch.

I fully respect their desire to kick ALPA off property, even if I don't agree with the reasons for doing so. But the problem here is that this pilot group has consistantly demonstrated weakness (folding in the face of adversity during the concessionary votes) at every turn. Good luck securing your future. The odds are against you guys and gals considering the years you will spend fending off lawsuits from the West pilots.
 

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