ALPA dues going up.

[FishandFly]

Got to be honest...I never have understood why we (small planes making $100k a year max) should be represented by the same union who cares for them (big planes making $200k a year) when we all know the majors are alpa's priority.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

It doesn't.



Again, you're wrong. Captain Prater went back to flying the line at CAL. He's currently a 777 Captain.

Where were all these high dollar jobs that you reference when Captain Prater left office? Nowhere to be found. Captain Babbitt started up his own consulting company and did quite well for himself, but he's more the exception than the rule. Go back through the ALPA presidents, and you aren't going to find a bunch of millionaires.

That's because Prater was an abysmal failure as ALPA president.

And you're delusional is you think cutting the ALPA president's pay in half will dissuade anyone from running for the position. Pilots go after that position for the power. you're meeting with the FAA. Rubbing elbows with senators and lobbyists. Giving TV interviews. You're big time. You're a player. Your asinine explanation about attracting "the best and the brightest" sounds like the tripe management hands down when they give themselves huge raises. Not what I'd expect from a self proclaimed union champion like yourself.

BTW, how's SWAPA treating you?

 

[jws717]

No, I wouldn't, in fact. SWAPA is as useless as tits on a bull. They get what management gives them, and they wouldn't know how to fight for something if they had to. And everyone is about to find that out the hard way as Section 6 negotiations kick into high gear. You wait and see.

As far as the IPA, they certainly haven't been the disaster that independent unions like the APA, USAPA, and NPA have been, but that's largely because they've been smart enough to know their own weaknesses. The IPA hires ALPA attorneys and advisors during their contract negotiations. That great contract that they have right now? It was negotiated with the help of one of ALPA's most senior professional negotiators. Without ALPA assistance, I doubt the IPA would be any further along than the APA.

You should try thinking for your self. Regurgitating the ALPA line is as dangerous as drinking company Koolaid.

 

[SplitBar]

I didn't feel like reading 3 pages of thread but the email I got from ALPA says that dues are going down from 1.95% to 1.90%. I had heard rumors on the line the past few weeks that they were going up so it was nice to see the news of a reduction.

 

[imacdog]

No, I wouldn't, in fact. SWAPA is as useless as tits on a bull. They get what management gives them, and they wouldn't know how to fight for something if they had to. And everyone is about to find that out the hard way as Section 6 negotiations kick into high gear. You wait and see.

As far as the IPA, they certainly haven't been the disaster that independent unions like the APA, USAPA, and NPA have been, but that's largely because they've been smart enough to know their own weaknesses. The IPA hires ALPA attorneys and advisors during their contract negotiations. That great contract that they have right now? It was negotiated with the help of one of ALPA's most senior professional negotiators. Without ALPA assistance, I doubt the IPA would be any further along than the APA.

What about the American pilots making a stand for the profession? Ignoring that because they're not ALPA? Also conveniently forgetting about the SWA pilots making industry-leading wages?

 

[PCL_128]

What about the American pilots making a stand for the profession?

You mean the APA that made an incredibly stupid decision that resulted in their contract being abrogated and some of the worst working conditions and job security provisions in mainline history being imposed? Yeah, that's something to envy.

Also conveniently forgetting about the SWA pilots making industry-leading wages?

Actually, I think you're the one conveniently forgetting that the only reason they had those industry-leading wages is that every other legacy carrier was forced to take concessions in bankruptcy to compete with them. Go back and take a look at how SWA compared to their peers prior to the bankruptcy era and get back to me. SWAPA didn't achieve anything beyond dragging everyone else down with them.

 

[JoeMerchant]

The irony is that the biggest ALPA cheerleader, PCL128, will soon no longer be a member of ALPA and will spend the rest of his career not being a member of ALPA...

 

[MCDU]

You mean the APA that made an incredibly stupid decision that resulted in their contract being abrogated and some of the worst working conditions and job security provisions in mainline history being imposed? Yeah, that's something to envy.



Actually, I think you're the one conveniently forgetting that the only reason they had those industry-leading wages is that every other legacy carrier was forced to take concessions in bankruptcy to compete with them. Go back and take a look at how SWA compared to their peers prior to the bankruptcy era and get back to me. SWAPA didn't achieve anything beyond dragging everyone else down with them.

This coming from some one that forked over thousands at Gulfstream Training Academy in order the get a job at some crappy airline. You dragged this profession lower. It was you and your kind that selled out. You have no problem that 17 years equals being a new hire and you also have no problem paying for an airline job that lowers the bar. Kudos to pilots that stand for what is right. The state of our profession reflects how scum like you created a sick environment by choosing to sell out for your own personal gain and ignoring real union traits. You remind me of the Frank Lorenzos of pilots.

M

 

[ultrarunner]

You mean the APA that made an incredibly stupid decision that resulted in their contract being abrogated and some of the worst working conditions and job security provisions in mainline history being imposed? Yeah, that's something to envy.

The abrogation of APA's contract is not indefinite. Now, I'm not approving AA's exit plan, and I'm not writing the exit-plan check, but if I were, I'd point out the fine print that says "contingent on ratification of a CBA"....

You can bet the judges and bankers will have the same mandate....

Then, all of a sudden, AA NEEDS the pilots at the table...

Just 'sayin...

 

[E120ASA]

I voted the old ones out today.....

 

[Freebrd]

Me too!

 

[PCL_128]

The abrogation of APA's contract is not indefinite. Now, I'm not approving AA's exit plan, and I'm not writing the exit-plan check, but if I were, I'd point out the fine print that says "contingent on ratification of a CBA"....

You can bet the judges and bankers will have the same mandate....

Then, all of a sudden, AA NEEDS the pilots at the table...

Just 'sayin...

I think you'll find that if the APA doesn't play ball at this point, that that contingency conveniently disappears. The pilots don't have the leverage that they think they do, unfortunately.

 

[PCL_128]

The irony is that the biggest ALPA cheerleader, PCL128, will soon no longer be a member of ALPA and will spend the rest of his career not being a member of ALPA...

Sorry, Joey, but I'll still be a member. Inactive participant status just costs $75 per year. I'll continue to contribute to the PAC, as well.

 

[Jim]

Well for Hawaiian, the headline was correct. Our dues are going down.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Sorry, Joey, but I'll still be a member. Inactive participant status just costs $75 per year. I'll continue to contribute to the PAC, as well.

I can't believe you are going to pay ALPA even when you are gone....Hold that thought...Yes I can believe it...