ALPA Defeats Pinnacle Management in Arbitration

[Lazy8]

I'm still trying to figure out why Pinnacle thought it was a good idea to buy a failing aged turboprop airline in the Northeast that pays for their own fuel, doesn't turn a profit, and has an average load factor of 40% - just to gain business with other carriers? Seemed like a rough way to go about it to me. Nothing against Colgan, I just don't see how that made any sense. Every Colgan pilot I've talked to has said things have only gotten worse since the purchase.

This arbitration has nothing to do with Pinnacle pilots getting access to the Q400's, etc... It's just for fence agreements with seniority. All this hoopla about "we're taking your flying" is made-up. Besides, Pinnacle Holding will drag this out for at least another 2 years.

And another thing. The always safety minded first folks that run this place just came up with a new method to combat our understaffed pilot group. Fatigue Policy #2 ! Now you have to file a flight safety report, call scheduling, call the base manager, and have a carpet dance to justify why you were fatigued. If this isn't completed in 24 hours of the call then your fatigue call "isn't justified". So I assume that's a mistrip? Just another scare tactic from the local Memphis talent.

Are we having fun yet?

 

[OnTheRocks]

CO-pilot in your case.

You really are the biggest trash talker on this site. Looking at your past posts, don't you have anything better to do than b#tch and moan about Colgan.

not really, champ...and whats wrong with being a co-pilot?

 

[Captainzero1]

According to the latest memo buddy sent to the Colgan group, PNCL ALPA did not win anything, they are going to keep that ruling tied up in court for years or at least till this recession is over.

 

[Smarta$$]

I'm still trying to figure out why Pinnacle thought it was a good idea to buy a failing aged turboprop airline in the Northeast that pays for their own fuel, doesn't turn a profit, and has an average load factor of 40% - just to gain business with other carriers? Seemed like a rough way to go about it to me. Nothing against Colgan, I just don't see how that made any sense. Every Colgan pilot I've talked to has said things have only gotten worse since the purchase.

This arbitration has nothing to do with Pinnacle pilots getting access to the Q400's, etc... It's just for fence agreements with seniority. All this hoopla about "we're taking your flying" is made-up. Besides, Pinnacle Holding will drag this out for at least another 2 years.

And another thing. The always safety minded first folks that run this place just came up with a new method to combat our understaffed pilot group. Fatigue Policy #2 ! Now you have to file a flight safety report, call scheduling, call the base manager, and have a carpet dance to justify why you were fatigued. If this isn't completed in 24 hours of the call then your fatigue call "isn't justified". So I assume that's a mistrip? Just another scare tactic from the local Memphis talent.

Are we having fun yet?

This really is not accurate at all. The final outcome will be a single list with all pilots eventually having access to all aircraft after the fences expire. The fences are just the first step in the process.

This will be in the court system for as long or short a time as the courts deem. It has nothing to do with what the companies desires are.

It could be as little as 6-12 months. The decision has already been made by the arbitrator. The court will just have to enforce it.

Those memo's about this ruling are just posturing by the company. They just are not ready admit that they lost. And ofcourse they want to delay the what has become an obvious outcome.

 

[PCL_128]

According to the latest memo buddy sent to the Colgan group, PNCL ALPA did not win anything

This is reminiscent of "Baghdad Bob" saying that "there are no Americans in Iraq" as you can hear the gunfire and the mortar rounds in the background.

 

[OnTheRocks]

Because not everone has shiny jet syndrome! Allot of us are home based and we enjoy being home every night.

how'd your new "i love dot" tattoo turn out? can you see it through your CAP flight suit?

 

[jobuneedsarefil]

how'd your new "i love dot" tattoo turn out? can you see it through your CAP flight suit?

Well, I have been at Colgan for three years and I have been a captain for two of them. How far has being angry and pissed got you? How is that Turbine PIC coming?

 

[TurboAWD]

ooohhhh turbine PIC... very few guys out there with any of that.

Pinnacle Captain slots go unfilled because there aren't enough pilots bidding for them, so I doubt the Colgan upgrade is much faster than 9E.

Turbo

 

[OnTheRocks]

yeah, i already checked that box.

 

[OnTheRocks]

oh, and by the way, i enjoyed some of your posts as well...it was pretty amusing the way those guys railed on ya

 

[ATRCA]

give me a break

first, why would Pinnicle pilots want to fly the Q

second, if they do try and staple all the Colgan Pilots will quit....Most of us have enough PIC to get a job anywhere

third, there will not be enough pilots to man all the planes unless pinnicle airlines looses all there RJ flying and has to fly Colgans prop flying....Colgan to the rescue

forth, we will be ALPA way before this comes to a settlement and surely colgan ALPA will not allow a staple most likely it will be date of hire with fences put up for the captains....Im sure this will be discused with ALPA National or Other Union Choices on our next union drive

Don't get me wrong I am glad you now have some leverge on the company for your negotiations on a new contract, God knows you need one. I am sure the company will not sign a new contract with you unless you conceed on this issue.

So.

One of two things will happen you can fight to merge the lists which might happen sometime in the next two years or you can fight to get paid more but I dont think you can do both.

"PIC time to get a job anywhere" Now thats funny. Perhaps you have been camping in the middle of nowhere for the last couple of weeks but

...............there are no jobs right now. Everyone has CX'd classes for the immediate future. Better get used to the idea of Colgan for a while.

 

[OnTheRocks]

"PIC time to get a job anywhere" Now thats funny. Perhaps you have been camping in the middle of nowhere for the last couple of weeks but

...............there are no jobs right now. Everyone has CX'd classes for the immediate future. Better get used to the idea of Colgan for a while.

aint that a b!tch

 

[Flyer1015]

According to the latest memo sent to the Colgan group, PNCL ALPA did not win anything, they are going to keep that ruling tied up in court for years or at least till this recession is over.

What else did you expect from management?


We got the same 'eff you pilots' memo from our management regarding the arbitration ruling.

 

[Lazy8]

This really is not accurate at all. The final outcome will be a single list with all pilots eventually having access to all aircraft after the fences expire. The fences are just the first step in the process.

This will be in the court system for as long or short a time as the courts deem. It has nothing to do with what the companies desires are.

It could be as little as 6-12 months. The decision has already been made by the arbitrator. The court will just have to enforce it.

Those memo's about this ruling are just posturing by the company. They just are not ready admit that they lost. And ofcourse they want to delay the what has become an obvious outcome.

So how was anything I said "not accurate"?

 

[Smarta$$]

I'm still trying to figure out why Pinnacle thought it was a good idea to buy a failing aged turboprop airline in the Northeast that pays for their own fuel, doesn't turn a profit, and has an average load factor of 40% - just to gain business with other carriers? Seemed like a rough way to go about it to me. Nothing against Colgan, I just don't see how that made any sense. Every Colgan pilot I've talked to has said things have only gotten worse since the purchase.

This arbitration has nothing to do with Pinnacle pilots getting access to the Q400's, etc... It's just for fence agreements with seniority. All this hoopla about "we're taking your flying" is made-up. Besides, Pinnacle Holding will drag this out for at least another 2 years.

And another thing. The always safety minded first folks that run this place just came up with a new method to combat our understaffed pilot group. Fatigue Policy #2 ! Now you have to file a flight safety report, call scheduling, call the base manager, and have a carpet dance to justify why you were fatigued. If this isn't completed in 24 hours of the call then your fatigue call "isn't justified". So I assume that's a mistrip? Just another scare tactic from the local Memphis talent.

Are we having fun yet?

Sorry, I only disagree with the bold statement.

I agree with you that our management saying that they "needed colgan for their relationship with other airlines" was a lie. We got the delta contract without a "previous relationship". Other regionals get new contracts all the time with "new" partners.

What they wanted was the cheap non-union labor. Thats all.