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ALPA Defeats Pinnacle Management in Arbitration

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Smarta$$ said:
It may take a few more years, but we will eventually get released.
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Sorry to rain on your parade, but as long as a Republican is in office, you won't be released. The chick in charge of the NMB doesn't have the guts to do it.

You guys need to formulate a plan B if you want to get the contract you deserve.
 
sweptback said:
Sorry to rain on your parade, but as long as a Republican is in office, you won't be released. The chick in charge of the NMB doesn't have the guts to do it.

You guys need to formulate a plan B if you want to get the contract you deserve.
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Word is that she was going to release ASA if Skywest management didn't come up with a TA.

By the way, there have been other pilot groups released with the current administration. Not saying it will happen again but it has happened in the "recent" past.
 
I saw this posted at the company forum:

Message from CS – Many of you are talking about the story in The Commercial Appeal (Memphis) today that refers to a recent dispute with ALPA related to Colgan. The headline and the story lead you to believe that ALPA has won a major victory (not true) and some people could interpret the result to be a merger between Pinnacle and Colgan. That is definitely not true, nor will it be. There is no plan or intention to combine the two companies. The law classifies this as a “minor dispute” and this decision will have no impact whatsoever on Pinnacle’s operations or Pinnacle’s People, including our Pilots. See CS's Weekly Message for complete details.
 
Flyer1015 said:
I saw this posted at the company forum:

Message from CS – Many of you are talking about the story in The Commercial Appeal (Memphis) today that refers to a recent dispute with ALPA related to Colgan. The headline and the story lead you to believe that ALPA has won a major victory (not true) and some people could interpret the result to be a merger between Pinnacle and Colgan. That is definitely not true, nor will it be. There is no plan or intention to combine the two companies. The law classifies this as a “minor dispute” and this decision will have no impact whatsoever on Pinnacle’s operations or Pinnacle’s People, including our Pilots. See CS's Weekly Message for complete details.
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And Phildo the Clown's rapid descent into dementia picks up speed....
 
sweptback said:
Sorry to rain on your parade, but as long as a Republican is in office, you won't be released. The chick in charge of the NMB doesn't have the guts to do it.

You guys need to formulate a plan B if you want to get the contract you deserve.
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Well thank god we won't have to wait much longer for that to happen!!

Plan B will occur on Jan 8 2009.
 
I'm still trying to figure out why Pinnacle thought it was a good idea to buy a failing aged turboprop airline in the Northeast that pays for their own fuel, doesn't turn a profit, and has an average load factor of 40% - just to gain business with other carriers? Seemed like a rough way to go about it to me. Nothing against Colgan, I just don't see how that made any sense. Every Colgan pilot I've talked to has said things have only gotten worse since the purchase.

This arbitration has nothing to do with Pinnacle pilots getting access to the Q400's, etc... It's just for fence agreements with seniority. All this hoopla about "we're taking your flying" is made-up. Besides, Pinnacle Holding will drag this out for at least another 2 years.

And another thing. The always safety minded first folks that run this place just came up with a new method to combat our understaffed pilot group. Fatigue Policy #2 ! Now you have to file a flight safety report, call scheduling, call the base manager, and have a carpet dance to justify why you were fatigued. If this isn't completed in 24 hours of the call then your fatigue call "isn't justified". So I assume that's a mistrip? Just another scare tactic from the local Memphis talent.

Are we having fun yet?
 
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According to the latest memo buddy sent to the Colgan group, PNCL ALPA did not win anything, they are going to keep that ruling tied up in court for years or at least till this recession is over.
 
Lazy8 said:
I'm still trying to figure out why Pinnacle thought it was a good idea to buy a failing aged turboprop airline in the Northeast that pays for their own fuel, doesn't turn a profit, and has an average load factor of 40% - just to gain business with other carriers? Seemed like a rough way to go about it to me. Nothing against Colgan, I just don't see how that made any sense. Every Colgan pilot I've talked to has said things have only gotten worse since the purchase.

This arbitration has nothing to do with Pinnacle pilots getting access to the Q400's, etc... It's just for fence agreements with seniority. All this hoopla about "we're taking your flying" is made-up. Besides, Pinnacle Holding will drag this out for at least another 2 years.

And another thing. The always safety minded first folks that run this place just came up with a new method to combat our understaffed pilot group. Fatigue Policy #2 ! Now you have to file a flight safety report, call scheduling, call the base manager, and have a carpet dance to justify why you were fatigued. If this isn't completed in 24 hours of the call then your fatigue call "isn't justified". So I assume that's a mistrip? Just another scare tactic from the local Memphis talent.

Are we having fun yet?
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This really is not accurate at all. The final outcome will be a single list with all pilots eventually having access to all aircraft after the fences expire. The fences are just the first step in the process.

This will be in the court system for as long or short a time as the courts deem. It has nothing to do with what the companies desires are.

It could be as little as 6-12 months. The decision has already been made by the arbitrator. The court will just have to enforce it.

Those memo's about this ruling are just posturing by the company. They just are not ready admit that they lost. And ofcourse they want to delay the what has become an obvious outcome.
 
Captainzero1 said:
According to the latest memo buddy sent to the Colgan group, PNCL ALPA did not win anything
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This is reminiscent of "Baghdad Bob" saying that "there are no Americans in Iraq" as you can hear the gunfire and the mortar rounds in the background. :rolleyes:
 
ooohhhh turbine PIC... very few guys out there with any of that.:rolleyes:

Pinnacle Captain slots go unfilled because there aren't enough pilots bidding for them, so I doubt the Colgan upgrade is much faster than 9E.

Turbo
 

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