ALPA Defeats Pinnacle Management in Arbitration

[CoATP]

give me a break

Most of us have enough PIC to get a job anywhere
.

Why are you still there?

 

[TurboAWD]

Colgan is not going to get stapled.

There are many reasons why a Pinnacle pilot might want to bid the Q400 (domicile is one big one)

If the lists were merged, both groups (and every other pilot in the US) would benefit.

Turbo

 

[Crowing Rooster]

Date of hire senority merger would be fine by me. I welcome our Colgan brothers into the ALPA fold.

Time to be unified and lay the smack down on the aviation industries...carpet bagging...middle men.

 

[Smarta$$]

give me a break

first, why would Pinnicle pilots want to fly the Q

second, if they do try and staple all the Colgan Pilots will quit....Most of us have enough PIC to get a job anywhere

third, there will not be enough pilots to man all the planes unless pinnicle airlines looses all there RJ flying and has to fly Colgans prop flying....Colgan to the rescue

forth, we will be ALPA way before this comes to a settlement and surely colgan ALPA will not allow a staple most likely it will be date of hire with fences put up for the captains....Im sure this will be discused with ALPA National or Other Union Choices on our next union drive

Don't get me wrong I am glad you now have some leverge on the company for your negotiations on a new contract, God knows you need one. I am sure the company will not sign a new contract with you unless you conceed on this issue.

So.

One of two things will happen you can fight to merge the lists which might happen sometime in the next two years or you can fight to get paid more but I dont think you can do both.

Wrong. Pinnacle pilots will demand that the Q be on our list or all colgan pilots on our list.

We don't have to conceed anything. Our existing contract and the arbitrators ruling already cover this issue. We may have to sue the company, but it will happen. We will not conceed anything.

As far as a new contract, we won't give away our job protections for any new contract. Forget that idea right now.

We will get a contract when the company can no longer function, or when the ontime performance suffers enough, or when we finally get released. It may take a few more years, but we will eventually get released.

But again, we will not give up our job protections for a new contract.

 

[WildBlue]

Precisely correct, Smarta$$.
Also, where does anyone get the idea that a "staple job" will be done. First, our contract spells out how an integration would occur, and, second, the a new law specifies that the rules that came out of Allegheny-Mohawk would apply.
I would welcome a chance to sit down with our brothers and sisters at Colgan and work out a FAIR integration that works for both groups. Then, a completely unified pilot group of 1900 pilots could take on Phildo, the fat mechanic, the bald ex-FedEx dupe and the Buddy Forker.

 

[sweptback]

It may take a few more years, but we will eventually get released.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but as long as a Republican is in office, you won't be released. The chick in charge of the NMB doesn't have the guts to do it.

You guys need to formulate a plan B if you want to get the contract you deserve.

 

[Nevets]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but as long as a Republican is in office, you won't be released. The chick in charge of the NMB doesn't have the guts to do it.

You guys need to formulate a plan B if you want to get the contract you deserve.

Word is that she was going to release ASA if Skywest management didn't come up with a TA.

By the way, there have been other pilot groups released with the current administration. Not saying it will happen again but it has happened in the "recent" past.

 

[Flyer1015]

I saw this posted at the company forum:

Message from CS – Many of you are talking about the story in The Commercial Appeal (Memphis) today that refers to a recent dispute with ALPA related to Colgan. The headline and the story lead you to believe that ALPA has won a major victory (not true) and some people could interpret the result to be a merger between Pinnacle and Colgan. That is definitely not true, nor will it be. There is no plan or intention to combine the two companies. The law classifies this as a “minor dispute” and this decision will have no impact whatsoever on Pinnacle’s operations or Pinnacle’s People, including our Pilots. See CS's Weekly Message for complete details.

 

[Afraid to Fly]

For the Pinnacle guys out there, just think, you will have George Dubya swinging gear for you.

Have fun with that!

 

[PCL_128]

I saw this posted at the company forum:

Message from CS – Many of you are talking about the story in The Commercial Appeal (Memphis) today that refers to a recent dispute with ALPA related to Colgan. The headline and the story lead you to believe that ALPA has won a major victory (not true) and some people could interpret the result to be a merger between Pinnacle and Colgan. That is definitely not true, nor will it be. There is no plan or intention to combine the two companies. The law classifies this as a “minor dispute” and this decision will have no impact whatsoever on Pinnacle’s operations or Pinnacle’s People, including our Pilots. See CS's Weekly Message for complete details.

And Phildo the Clown's rapid descent into dementia picks up speed....

 

[Flyer1015]

And Phildo the Clown's rapid descent into dementia picks up speed....

Yeah, tell me about it!

That message from CS is the politest "f$%k you" I've ever read...

 

[jobuneedsarefil]

Why are you still there?

Because not everone has shiny jet syndrome! Allot of us are home based and we enjoy being home every night.

 

[OnTheRocks]

yeah, most colgan guys arent ready to pack a bag, man up, and go play pilot

 

[jobuneedsarefil]

yeah, most colgan guys arent ready to pack a bag, man up, and go play pilot

CO-pilot in your case.

You really are the biggest trash talker on this site. Looking at your past posts, don't you have anything better to do than b#tch and moan about Colgan.

 

[DTWFO]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but as long as a Republican is in office, you won't be released. The chick in charge of the NMB doesn't have the guts to do it.

You guys need to formulate a plan B if you want to get the contract you deserve.

Well thank god we won't have to wait much longer for that to happen!!

Plan B will occur on Jan 8 2009.