Allegiant - Generally

[BuckMurdock1]

What about culture? Is it happy, sad (ie beat-down), indifferent?? In my book, that counts for a lot.
Thanks in advance..

 

[Caveman]

The main negative I've heard from my friends that work there is the application of the scheduling rules is inconsistent. Same scenario, different day, different outcome. The company seems to interpret them on a case by case basis. What was the precedence last week no longer applies....until it applies again. My friends are generally happy and like their QOL (they live in domicile). They are getting frustrated with the scheduling manipulation though.

 

[chperplt]

The main negative I've heard from my friends that work there is the application of the scheduling rules is inconsistent. Same scenario, different day, different outcome. The company seems to interpret them on a case by case basis. What was the precedence last week no longer applies....until it applies again. My friends are generally happy and like their QOL (they live in domicile). They are getting frustrated with the scheduling manipulation though.

This may be the case somewhat, but for the most part the scheduling work rules are followed with the same interpretation that our in house and management agreed to.

 

[climbhappy]

are you guys doing any gold transportation flying out of ACY. we were doing the tunica stuff. 5,6 legs reduced rest, long days...

are ya'll 121 supp or domestic flag...121 supp always brings with it scheduling issues..by its nature things change alot..is that that the issue or did i read the concern incorrectly?

 

[Deadalus]

The minimum days off was mentioned earlier. How many days off do most line holders see? How often are bases opened and closed, ie. is there a history of this? Where is training done? Thanks in advance.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Pay is shameful. I don't think there is a lower paying MD88/90 operation out there. I guess as long as they can get people to work for it......

Time to look at the bigger picture.
I'll compare Allegiant, United, NWA, Delta, and NetJets over a 10 year period.
-Based on 80 hours/month
-Using the most junior airplane
(83.3 hours/month=1000 hours/year)

Allegiant Air (upgrade currently at 1 year)
FO year
1. $39,360
Captain years
2. $81,600
3. $86,400
4. $92,160
5. $96,960
6. $100,800
7. $102,720
8. $104,640
9. $106,560
10. $108,480

Ten Year Total=$919,680
--------------------------------------------
United Airlines (upgrade currently 10 years)
FO years
1. $30,720
2. $48,000
3. $70,080
4. $74,880
5. $76,800
6. $78,720
7. $80,640
8. $82,560
9. $83,520
Captain years
10. $124,800

Ten Year Total=$750,720
----------------------------------------------
Northwest Airlines (upgrade currently 10 years)
FO years
1. $28,800
2. $54,720
3. $66,240
4. $68,160
5. $70,080
6. $71,040
7. $72,960
8. $74,880
9. $76,800
Captain years
10. $117,120

Ten Year Total=$700,800
------------------------------------------------
Delta Airlines (upgrade currently 8 years)
FO years
1. $47,040
2. $65,280
3. $75,840
4. $77,760
5. $80,640
6. $82,560
7. $84,480
Captain years
8. $128,640
9. $129,600
10. $131,520

Ten Year Total=$903,360
---------------------------------------------
NetJets (new TA, 7on/7off schedule, estimated upgrade at 5 years)

FO years
1. $56,875
2. $58,866
3. $63,738
4. $65,969
Captain years
5. $100,408
6. $103,923
7. $107,560
8. $111,324
9. $115,221
10. $119,254

Ten Year Total=$903,138

At Allegiant, the hourly pay is rising, the pilot group seems happy, and don't forget the most important part...you will be home almost every single night.

 

[Trash8Mofo]

Time to look at the bigger picture.
I'll compare Allegiant, United, NWA, Delta, and NetJets over a 10 year period.
-Based on 80 hours/month
-Using the most junior airplane
(83.3 hours/month=1000 hours/year)

Allegiant Air (upgrade currently at 1 year)
FO year
1. $39,360
Captain years
2. $81,600
3. $86,400
4. $92,160
5. $96,960
6. $100,800
7. $102,720
8. $104,640
9. $106,560
10. $108,480

Ten Year Total=$919,680
--------------------------------------------
United Airlines (upgrade currently 10 years)
FO years
1. $30,720
2. $48,000
3. $70,080
4. $74,880
5. $76,800
6. $78,720
7. $80,640
8. $82,560
9. $83,520
Captain years
10. $124,800

Ten Year Total=$750,720
----------------------------------------------
Northwest Airlines (upgrade currently 10 years)
FO years
1. $28,800
2. $54,720
3. $66,240
4. $68,160
5. $70,080
6. $71,040
7. $72,960
8. $74,880
9. $76,800
Captain years
10. $117,120

Ten Year Total=$700,800
------------------------------------------------
Delta Airlines (upgrade currently 8 years)
FO years
1. $47,040
2. $65,280
3. $75,840
4. $77,760
5. $80,640
6. $82,560
7. $84,480
Captain years
8. $128,640
9. $129,600
10. $131,520

Ten Year Total=$903,360
---------------------------------------------
NetJets (new TA, 7on/7off schedule, estimated upgrade at 5 years)

FO years
1. $56,875
2. $58,866
3. $63,738
4. $65,969
Captain years
5. $100,408
6. $103,923
7. $107,560
8. $111,324
9. $115,221
10. $119,254

Ten Year Total=$903,138

At Allegiant, the hourly pay is rising, the pilot group seems happy, and don't forget the most important part...you will be home almost every single night.

While your numbers might be accurate, but have you consider retirement? Not that pyhtom pension, of course, but B and C funds (money in your own pocket funds). Most est. airlines pay about 15% (or more like 19% if you consider the tax bennefit), while your airlines pay about 3%ish 401k match. Thats another 100k over ten years per your figures.

Yes, hotel bar tabs cost alot, not to mention its evil twin: late-night hookers, urr, I mean pizza delivery, but thats what per-diem is for. Some airlines pay Occunus rate, thats about $3.00/hr, whats yours?

I always believe that risk should equal rewards. Most start up airlines ends within 3yrs. Thats a big risk. shouldn't you be rewarded more for the risk you take? All things considered, it seems like that if one consider the ENTIRE package, you will be rewarded just about the same as a traditional "safer" bet.

But then again, who knows which will be the next Southwest.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Retirement is important, but personally, I'd rather earn more money while I'm young and can really enjoy it. The major airlines may pay more in the long run, but who knows what's gonna happen that far out? Odds are much will change before then.

Allegiant isn't really a startup. It's been around almost 11 years...since 1997. It reinvented itself about 6 years ago with a new CEO, and a totally new business plan and that's why most people think it's a startup airline.

The per diem at Allegiant is low, only $1.00/hour. That's because we don't do overnights. Per diem is given so pilots can buy food and supplies when they are in another city. We fly out and backs, so we rarely need to buy food away from base.

Don't get me wrong, it would be great if hourly pay was higher, and it is rising, but that's not all that matters. It's nice working for a place with happy pilots, friendly managers, airplanes that are maintained in base every night, and that has made a profit for the last 19 quarters in a row.

 

[Trash8Mofo]

really? Profitable 19qts in a row!

Fold up my tent, warm the bus up, and get me an application!

 

[chperplt]

The minimum days off was mentioned earlier. How many days off do most line holders see? How often are bases opened and closed, ie. is there a history of this? Where is training done? Thanks in advance.

Minimum days off is 10 for reserves and 11 for regular line holders. The average lines holders see varies by base, but I would guess 14 or 15. We have quite a few lines with 17-18 days off and high block values.

We opened PIE 14 or so months ago and FLL/IWA earlier this year. I don't believe we've closed a base in 3+ years, and that was a charter base that closed when the contract went away.

 

[BRA]

Time to look at the bigger picture.
I'll compare Allegiant, United, NWA, Delta, and NetJets over a 10 year period.
-Based on 80 hours/month
-Using the most junior airplane
(83.3 hours/month=1000 hours/year)

Allegiant Air (upgrade currently at 1 year)
FO year
1. $39,360
Captain years
2. $81,600
3. $86,400
4. $92,160
5. $96,960
6. $100,800
7. $102,720
8. $104,640
9. $106,560
10. $108,480

Ten Year Total=$919,680
--------------------------------------------
United Airlines (upgrade currently 10 years)
FO years
1. $30,720
2. $48,000
3. $70,080
4. $74,880
5. $76,800
6. $78,720
7. $80,640
8. $82,560
9. $83,520
Captain years
10. $124,800

Ten Year Total=$750,720
----------------------------------------------
Northwest Airlines (upgrade currently 10 years)
FO years
1. $28,800
2. $54,720
3. $66,240
4. $68,160
5. $70,080
6. $71,040
7. $72,960
8. $74,880
9. $76,800
Captain years
10. $117,120

Ten Year Total=$700,800
------------------------------------------------
Delta Airlines (upgrade currently 8 years)
FO years
1. $47,040
2. $65,280
3. $75,840
4. $77,760
5. $80,640
6. $82,560
7. $84,480
Captain years
8. $128,640
9. $129,600
10. $131,520

Ten Year Total=$903,360
---------------------------------------------
NetJets (new TA, 7on/7off schedule, estimated upgrade at 5 years)

FO years
1. $56,875
2. $58,866
3. $63,738
4. $65,969
Captain years
5. $100,408
6. $103,923
7. $107,560
8. $111,324
9. $115,221
10. $119,254

Ten Year Total=$903,138

At Allegiant, the hourly pay is rising, the pilot group seems happy, and don't forget the most important part...you will be home almost every single night.

Also consider that the second 10 years, and 10 years after that the pay difference is far more different. We have no wide bodies or anything like. Of course, in 10 years may be we will have them? Or may be they won't have any more jet fuel left. You never know.

 

[On Your Six]

Don't forget to look at the cost side. Netjets pays for the full health care package for pilots and their families - that equates to a couple of thousand dollars per year in some cases. Per diem and nice TIPS also cushion the revenue side at Netjets.

Your point about Captain pay at Allegiant is well taken - it's a good deal because you can upgrade much faster.

 

[learflyer]

I don't know if TIPS is an acronym for something at nja or not, but tips (monetary) are few and far between, and cannot be relied upon.

 

[bravodude]

Time to look at the bigger picture.
I'll compare Allegiant, United, NWA, Delta, and NetJets over a 10 year period.
-Based on 80 hours/month
-Using the most junior airplane
(83.3 hours/month=1000 hours/year)

Allegiant Air (upgrade currently at 1 year)
FO year
1. $39,360
Captain years
2. $81,600
3. $86,400
4. $92,160
5. $96,960
6. $100,800
7. $102,720
8. $104,640
9. $106,560
10. $108,480

Ten Year Total=$919,680
--------------------------------------------
United Airlines (upgrade currently 10 years)
FO years
1. $30,720
2. $48,000
3. $70,080
4. $74,880
5. $76,800
6. $78,720
7. $80,640
8. $82,560
9. $83,520
Captain years
10. $124,800

Ten Year Total=$750,720
----------------------------------------------
Northwest Airlines (upgrade currently 10 years)
FO years
1. $28,800
2. $54,720
3. $66,240
4. $68,160
5. $70,080
6. $71,040
7. $72,960
8. $74,880
9. $76,800
Captain years
10. $117,120

Ten Year Total=$700,800
------------------------------------------------
Delta Airlines (upgrade currently 8 years)
FO years
1. $47,040
2. $65,280
3. $75,840
4. $77,760
5. $80,640
6. $82,560
7. $84,480
Captain years
8. $128,640
9. $129,600
10. $131,520

Ten Year Total=$903,360
---------------------------------------------
NetJets (new TA, 7on/7off schedule, estimated upgrade at 5 years)

FO years
1. $56,875
2. $58,866
3. $63,738
4. $65,969
Captain years
5. $100,408
6. $103,923
7. $107,560
8. $111,324
9. $115,221
10. $119,254

Ten Year Total=$903,138

At Allegiant, the hourly pay is rising, the pilot group seems happy, and don't forget the most important part...you will be home almost every single night.

How about we add FDX, UPS LUV and even CAL with a 2 yr upgrade, then we can compare!

 

[chperplt]

How about we add FDX, UPS LUV and even CAL with a 2 yr upgrade, then we can compare!

You can, but those numbers wouldn't be real numbers would they?

How long is the quickest upgrade at those places now that 65 has passed?