Allegheny Furloughs?

[ALGFLYR]

It's official. The first 13 pilots at ALG have been let go. The sad part is that they were TERMINATED. Not Furloughed. They have NO recall rights.

 

[qwerty]

I guess that will save me a stamp. I thought they were hiring?

 

[SeaBass]

Was it the last class that was hired in? I had a friend that went there in Feb, just hoping he is not in the foodstamp line. Was this the first of a lot more to be terminated?

Thanks!

-Seabass

 

[SeaBass]

Was it the last class that was hired in? I had a friend that went there in Feb, just hoping he is not in the foodstamp line. Was this the first of a lot more to be terminated?

Thanks!

-Seabass

 

[pappy]

SeaBass-

From what I've read, a total of 49 pilot will be TERMINATED by July. More to come by the end of the year. Looks like I'll have the 4th of July off.

pappy

 

[328dude]

Fellows brother and sisters and ALG and PDT:

Guys, this sucks. PSA hasen't annouced anything but I'm sure we will be in the same foodline with you. Good luck guys.

 

[Beantown]

Sorry to all! One question though, Why terminate and not furlough? I don't understand the benifit? -Bean

 

[FR8mastr]

I'm not positive about this, but apparently if ALG has nobody on furlough the mainline guys coming in "officially" wont be the scabs that they are trying to be.

 

[Beantown]

FR8, good point. I had not thought of that angle. Just when I thought US Airways was going to get there **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** together they start this with the WO's. Man this is about to get ugly. -Bean

 

[KingAirKiddo]

It's amazing that Airways would stoop that low in its attempt to keep its proverbial whale of a self afloat. Best of luck to all that have gotten/are about to get the shaft in these unfortunate times!

 

[ahaly]

Whats the reason behind the sudden furloughs/terminations? I dont get it, I thought they were hiring. Is there a 'bigger' plan for US Airways wholly owned's?

 

[328dude]

Ok, say you have 30 36-seater Dash 8's. That equals 1080 seats. Say in the same equation you have 4 crews per airplane, so 30x4 equals. 120 pilots. US Air wants to park say 20 RJ's at 50 seats on the property. 21 RJ's at 50 seats a pop is 1050. So the seats are made up and you have 9 airplanes that you can get rid of. So 9 Dash 8's at 4 crews per plane equals 36 pilots on the street. On top of that, half of the RJ's seats will be flown by US Airways mainline pilots. (per LOA 81). So another 10 airplanes at 4 crews an airplane equals another 40 pilots. Total 76 pilots on the street.

This is a ruff estimate and I'm not sure how many crews and planes ALG or PDT have but you can see how this is total horsedun for the WO'ed guys and gals.

Welcome to dad's world.

It's late and I'm not sure if the maths right, so check me. Also to add, the mainline guys that will fly the RJ's will get captain pay no matter what seat they are sitting in. So, more concessions are needed to make up for the increase in labor costs.

Am I making sense yet?
Good night

 

[dogg]

We can only hope that the terminations at ALLEGHENY are not being driven by the need to bring USAIR guys in and that they are just shrinking. If it is as you say that they are preparing to bring USAIR pilots onboard and they fired current employees to do so I am sure there has to be more than one labor lawyer that would be happy to make ALLEGHENY pay dearly for that mistake. What a nasty stinking mess and hopefully no alpa member would touch an RJ on the property until their Illegally fired ALPA brothers/sisiters are back on the pay roll. Anything else would be grounds for de-certifying the USAIR ALPA group.

 

[tarp]

#1 - I'm sorry to hear that even more pilots will be terminated or furloughed. You ALG guys have saved my commuting butt too many times and I wish I could do something to help.

#2 - I'm totally confused on this J4J agreement. I thought all the "Jets" were going to Potomac, TSA and Chataqua. Is ALG, PDT and PSA also getting "jets" and therefore furloughed mainline guys?

#3 - Finally (and maybe a little sarcastically), how are the flight crews going to work with a CA making $50-60/hr and an FO making $100-120/hr? Or are the mainline guys taking a pay cut down to RJ wages? Even if mainline guys do take the paycut, will the J4J carriers be able to make the math work - they have a flight crew that will cost 50% more than any other regional - the equivalent of having the entire fleet flown in a captain-on-captain crew?

And a PS. If Skywest matches the industry leading payrates, will they now have to pay FO's the same as Potomac pilots? If so, I need to dust my resume off. Right seat, no captain's liability, 50-60K/yr, that sounds real nice.

 

[Beantown]

Tarp,
To answer number 3, all furloughed US pilots will get $50 hr no matter what seat they sit in. This will still make the costs a bit higher ($100 crews instead of $70 crews). My guess (and it is only that) is that US will help cover the added expense at least at the contract carriers. -Bean