All Flex (One Sky) Pilots

[el raton]

The math just doesn’t add up. NJASAP, SWAPA, CAPA, APA and rumor has it ALPA have all voiced their support for OneSky’s Local IBT 1108. That’s somewhere north of 40,000 professional pilots. All of which are benefitting from solidarity and Collective Bargaining Agreements (CBA’s).
Yet this Woelke character and his band of (maybe 10 or 12) misfits seem to know more about what it takes to deal with and negotiate with a management team that is hell bent on removing the union.
It’s a sad day for the aviation profession when pilot’s themselves take on the role of Union Busters.



http://oscrewlounge.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IncompetentUnion.mp4?_=1

Reluctantly, Swapa’s letter convinced me to vote in favor of the IBT. I refuse to screw my fellow pilots reputation in the industry.

 

[FTITA]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Jumpseats are based on being a CASS participant.

Being enrolled in CASS will get you past the gate agent. The Captain is who decides whether you will ride or not. The Continental scabs aren’t getting many (if any) Jumpseat’s. Especially if the Captain has his scab list with him.

 

[cougar12]

April 19, 2018

To All Flight Options & Flexjet Pilots:

On behalf of the 15,000 American Airlines pilots represented by the Allied Pilots Association (APA), I am writing to express our strong support for International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 1108 and the representation services it provides to the pilots of Flight Options and Flexjet.

If successful, the current campaign to decertify Local 1108 could have far-reaching implications for all professional pilots. In the early days of scheduled air service in the United States, our
predecessors concluded that they needed protections against predatory owners and managers, which gave rise to collective bargaining in the airline industry. While much has clearly changed during the past 80-plus years, the need for a robust safety culture remains the same. Many of the issues that demand our time and attention today – overly aggressive scheduling, pilot pushing, and other unsafe practices - closely resemble the problems that pilots were dealing with back in the 1930s.

Supporters of the decertification campaign against Local 1108 include some of our country's most notoriously anti-union organizations, including the Center for Independent Employees. Why are they involved? Because airline owners and managers don't like collective bargaining and the
limitations that it places upon them. Organizations like Local 1108 prevent operators from doing
whatever they want, whenever they want, and provide their members with valuable protections.

If successful, the decertification campaign can only accelerate the ever-present downward pressure on wages and benefits that we all face, and it will threaten the robust safety culture that we all depend on.

For the reasons I have outlined, I hope you will join me in concluding that the only correct answer here is to say “no thank you” to decertification. I believe you will be glad you did.

Thank you for considering my views.

Fraternally,




Captain Daniel F. Carey
President

 

[Club ORD FO]

Except that asking about union affiliation during a job interview is an illegal question. Generation of scab equivalents? Not even close. You won’t get denied a jumpseat because of the way you voted in a decert vote. Even GoJet guys don’t have any problems jumpseating these days. SkyWest is non-union and nobody in the 121 world gives a crap. Will the vote be big within OneSky? Absolutely, but it’s not going to prevent people from getting hired elsewhere if they vote for the decert. That’s just nonsense.

I'm not sure I agree. Skywest has never had a union, and they keep their pay fairly high so they do not have a negative impact on the industry as a whole. It'll be a different story if/when a company kicks out a union. It'll be the first time it has happened in the history of the industry. Others have switched unions, but nobody has straight up gone to no representation. It's not going get us a round of free drinks at the bar. Lets say I go to southwest interview and a union rep is there on the panel, could he/she be prejudiced against me just because I'm from Flexjet and we voted out a union?

 

[Lumpsum]

Now who's acting like "Chicken Little"?

 

[Hawker dude]

I'm not sure I agree. Skywest has never had a union, and they keep their pay fairly high so they do not have a negative impact on the industry as a whole. It'll be a different story if/when a company kicks out a union. It'll be the first time it has happened in the history of the industry. Others have switched unions, but nobody has straight up gone to no representation. It's not going get us a round of free drinks at the bar. Lets say I go to southwest interview and a union rep is there on the panel, could he/she be prejudiced against me just because I'm from Flexjet and we voted out a union?

no they can't ask those questions at an interview.
but if you guys vote to decertify you won't even be offered an interview.

 

[jetwash]

no they can't ask those questions at an interview.
but if you guys vote to decertify you won't even be offered an interview.

It shows "bad decision making skills"

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

I did 18+years ago. The sad part is I’m just figuring that out now.

 

[BE40Driver]

A decert vote should be an Unsat for ADM on a 8410 form.

 

[MagnumPI]

View attachment 34Now who's acting like "Chicken Little"?

Hey Dude, why you acting like a children’s cartoon character? Maybe you should grow something. bigger than chicken’s testicles and be a man.

 

[Lumpsum]

Hey Dude, why you acting like a children’s cartoon character? Maybe you should grow something. bigger than chicken’s testicles and be a man.

What does this even mean?
Why would you say something like that? What are you, 12 years old?
How can that even be allowed in an adult conversation?
This is another reason I support having a chance to vote. My post might have been a little vague, but who hasn't seen that cartoon?
The point was that all I see on this site lately is fear mongering. Trying to scare pilots into voting for the Teamsters. What kind of logic is that?
Tell me all the great things the Teamsters have done for the pilots.
The truth is all this fear talk is just a huge sign of desperation.
MagnumPI my testicles stopped growing a long time ago, if you must know.
Jezz..............!

 

[shanes123]

Job protection
no more forced over 14 or threatened to be fired
able to call fatigue without being fired
able to write a broke airplane without being called up and threatened to be fired
fairness in seniority, upgrades, vacations , schedules

what great things has this company done for the pilots other then forced them to vote in a union!!!
1.56% is a small price to pay just for those things even if there was never another raise.

 

[Bjtdrvr]

Don't forget the extra year of seniority pay and the fact that the pay scales are protected by a CONTRACT! Something every CEO, COO or upper management personnel has.

 

[EnFuego]

What does this even mean?
Why would you say something like that? What are you, 12 years old?
How can that even be allowed in an adult conversation?
This is another reason I support having a chance to vote. My post might have been a little vague, but who hasn't seen that cartoon?
The point was that all I see on this site lately is fear mongering. Trying to scare pilots into voting for the Teamsters. What kind of logic is that?
Tell me all the great things the Teamsters have done for the pilots.
The truth is all this fear talk is just a huge sign of desperation.
MagnumPI my testicles stopped growing a long time ago, if you must know.
Jezz..............!

You accuse the posters on this site of fearmongering, but you are silent on the training center instructor (the guy who lost his arm in the motorcycle accident) who was bullying his students into signing decent cards. I want you to fill out this card and give it back to me...did I mention I'm giving you your check ride. That's not fear mongering and intimidation? You decerters accuse the Union of heavy handed tactics and bullying, but the only place that is happening is on the management side. Why is Rick writing those intimidation letters every week?
Heres what the IBT has done for us:
1) Put us legally in control of our work day. If you report before 6am, you get paid 1.5 and management can't take that away on a whim. From 12-14 hours, again 1.5 that can't be taken away. After that, you get to decide, without fear of reprisal, if you are fit to continue. AND, you get paid triple time for it from 14-16 hours. At Bombardier, these rules were never in doubt. Since DAC has taken over,the bonus in the "individual employment agreement" was ignored. They unilaterally took all of our banked sick and vacation, which is why everyone lost vacation bid time when they forced us to rebid vacations. It had nothing to do with the Union and everything to do with DAC having previously stolen our earned vacation and sick accruals!
2) Last day rules. Say you are a DFW based pilot and report at 6am in HPN. If they don't get you home by 9pm central time, you get an overtime day! And you still have the hourly overtime pay protections! You also have a contractual right to hold them to a 14 hour day on your last day! You are in control, not being pushed.
3) Representation when you are called to CGF. I know Rick would have you believe otherwise, but the stewards have already defended over a dozen original Bombardier pilots who were called in. At least two were over maintenance write ups that management wanted them to "monitor" until they got to a more schedule friendly destination. Not to mention Ali, Regan and Macek who were illegally fired.

Our latest seniority list shows that despite hiring as fast as they are able, our list is shrinking. We are in the best position to negotiate a contract that we have ever been in! The Union has stated in several letters that they will negotiate to keep red label, even expand it. And we can keep our workrules that give us a measure of control over our working lives. Unless they intend to close the doors, and you know that's not happening, management will come to the table and we will get a great contract! They are out of stall time! VOTE YES FOR IBT 1108!

 

[MagnumPI]

You accuse the posters on this site of fearmongering, but you are silent on the training center instructor (the guy who lost his arm in the motorcycle accident) who was bullying his students into signing decent cards. I want you to fill out this card and give it back to me...did I mention I'm giving you your check ride. That's not fear mongering and intimidation? You decerters accuse the Union of heavy handed tactics and bullying, but the only place that is happening is on the management side. Why is Rick writing those intimidation letters every week?
Heres what the IBT has done for us:
1) Put us legally in control of our work day. If you report before 6am, you get paid 1.5 and management can't take that away on a whim. From 12-14 hours, again 1.5 that can't be taken away. After that, you get to decide, without fear of reprisal, if you are fit to continue. AND, you get paid triple time for it from 14-16 hours. At Bombardier, these rules were never in doubt. Since DAC has taken over,the bonus in the "individual employment agreement" was ignored. They unilaterally took all of our banked sick and vacation, which is why everyone lost vacation bid time when they forced us to rebid vacations. It had nothing to do with the Union and everything to do with DAC having previously stolen our earned vacation and sick accruals!
2) Last day rules. Say you are a DFW based pilot and report at 6am in HPN. If they don't get you home by 9pm central time, you get an overtime day! And you still have the hourly overtime pay protections! You also have a contractual right to hold them to a 14 hour day on your last day! You are in control, not being pushed.
3) Representation when you are called to CGF. I know Rick would have you believe otherwise, but the stewards have already defended over a dozen original Bombardier pilots who were called in. At least two were over maintenance write ups that management wanted them to "monitor" until they got to a more schedule friendly destination. Not to mention Ali, Regan and Macek who were illegally fired.

Our latest seniority list shows that despite hiring as fast as they are able, our list is shrinking. We are in the best position to negotiate a contract that we have ever been in! The Union has stated in several letters that they will negotiate to keep red label, even expand it. And we can keep our workrules that give us a measure of control over our working lives. Unless they intend to close the doors, and you know that's not happening, management will come to the table and we will get a great contract! They are out of stall time! VOTE YES FOR IBT 1108!

And it don’t mean a thing wjthout complete solidarity and support of a large majority of the pilot group. The company has been preying on that division for sometime and will continue to do so as long as the pilots allow them to.

No Lumpsum, i’m over 12, but your junvenile behavior makes me wonder about you. I ageee with Enfuego, who is truly fear mongering? It’s the usual union buster tactic of FUD utilizing middle managers. Maybe you should read Confessions of a Union Buster, Lunpsum, and then come back and talk to me.