All Flex (One Sky) Pilots

[GlorifiedCabbie]

With all of the turmoil at Flex, they are having such a hard time replacing the pilots that are leaving, there aren't enough pilots for the planned expansion. They have delayed delivery of most of the new aircraft because they would just sit uncrewed anyway. So why not take delivery and just park it? The owners are not too keen on that idea. Buy a plane and not use it because Flex can't find pilots to fly it? We defered another sale.

 

[shanes123]

They have delayed delivery cause they don’t have the money for them. It’s the same old story. Nothing to do with pilots. It’s piss poor management. Wonder what Frank and beans plans on doing when his ship sinks. Not a company in the world that would touch him now. Even that number to that truck driving school has a union !!!!

 

[cougar12]

Try getting in anywhere. I would take a photo of my vote, my dues card and quit for pretty much any job if this decert goes through.

This is the talk of the industry right now, and it’s not being looked upon favorably at all. Good luck getting on anywhere, you will be damaged goods. If NJA buys the crumbs left at Flex someday, staple job is the best you could hope for. The union wouldn’t want you at all and would demand individual veto power.

Word is CAPA, APA, UPS, all are drafting letters at this point. If you don’t have a photo of your dues paying card and flex goes under you will be our generation of scab equivalents. Stupid, stupid move. Shockingly stupid.

[FONT=&quot] April 18, 2018[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] Flight Options & Flexjet Pilots International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 1108 P.O. Box 43485 Richmond Heights, OH 44143-3485[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] Fellow Professional Pilots,[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] The Coalition of Airline Pilots Association (CAPA) is a trade association comprised of over 30,000 professional airline pilots in the service of American Airlines, UPS Airlines, Horizon Air, ABX Air, Atlas Air, Allegiant Air, Cape Air, Miami Air, Omni Air, Silver Airways, Southern Air, and Republic Airline. CAPA's purpose is to address safety, security, legislative and regulatory issues affecting the professional flight deck crew member on matters of common interest to the individual member unions and professional pilots across the United States. For that reason, we are writing to you about a matter of concern to our entire profession.[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] We have learned there is a campaign underway to decertify your union at Flexjet/Flight Options and to replace it with a so-called "direct relationship" between individual pilots and management. A vote in favor of no representation would prevent future collective bargaining over improvements to your current contract and leave pilots without any union representative. This would be an unprecedented development given that current pilot labor market conditions have resulted in the most favorable collective bargaining environment in the history of our profession.[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] Pilot unions do more than negotiate over rates of pay, rules and working conditions. Our organizations also successfully advocate for aviation safety initiatives, improved training, and enhanced security. These advancements would not have been possible without the right of pilots to form unions and bargain with carriers, a right that was codified in the Railway Labor Act more than eighty years ago. Accordingly, continuity of membership in a pilot union is the foundation for relationships between co-workers when a pilot leaves one carrier to accept employment with another carrier.[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] For all of these reasons, we regard any campaign to reduce union density or weaken collective bargaining strength - regardless of whether it originates with management, a faction of pilots or a third party - as a threat to the interests of all professional flight deck crew members. Therefore, CAPA offers its full support to the pilots of Flexjet/Flight Options as they face down this challenge. By voting for the Teamsters in the election, you will remain a part of the larger community of represented pilots in the United States with the ability to bargain improvements for yourselves while helping to protect and raise standards for our entire profession.[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] If CAPA can be of assistance, do not hesitate to contact us directly.[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] Sincerely,[/FONT]​ ​

[FONT=&quot] Captain Lee Collins President[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] cc: Captain Daniel Wells, President/Teamsters Union Local 1224 Captain Robert Travis, President/Independent Pilots Association Captain Dan Carey, President/Allied Pilots Association Captain Josh LeBlanc, President/Teamsters Union Local 357[/FONT]​ ​

 

[FTITA]

Try getting in anywhere. I would take a photo of my vote, my dues card and quit for pretty much any job if this decert goes through.

This is the talk of the industry right now, and it’s not being looked upon favorably at all. Good luck getting on anywhere, you will be damaged goods. If NJA buys the crumbs left at Flex someday, staple job is the best you could hope for. The union wouldn’t want you at all and would demand individual veto power.

Word is CAPA, APA, UPS, all are drafting letters at this point. If you don’t have a photo of your dues paying card and flex goes under you will be our generation of scab equivalents. Stupid, stupid move. Shockingly stupid.

Except that asking about union affiliation during a job interview is an illegal question. Generation of scab equivalents? Not even close. You won’t get denied a jumpseat because of the way you voted in a decert vote. Even GoJet guys don’t have any problems jumpseating these days. SkyWest is non-union and nobody in the 121 world gives a crap. Will the vote be big within OneSky? Absolutely, but it’s not going to prevent people from getting hired elsewhere if they vote for the decert. That’s just nonsense.

 

[cougar12]

I will make sure to let the Reps know they can’t look at a Wiki list!
To think they can’t or won’t is nonsense.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Except that asking about union affiliation during a job interview is an illegal question. Generation of scab equivalents? Not even close. You won’t get denied a jumpseat because of the way you voted in a decert vote. Even GoJet guys don’t have any problems jumpseating these days. SkyWest is non-union and nobody in the 121 world gives a crap. Will the vote be big within OneSky? Absolutely, but it’s not going to prevent people from getting hired elsewhere if they vote for the decert. That’s just nonsense.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Jumpseats are based on being a CASS participant.

 

[MagnumPI]

Except that asking about union affiliation during a job interview is an illegal question. Generation of scab equivalents? Not even close. You won’t get denied a jumpseat because of the way you voted in a decert vote. Even GoJet guys don’t have any problems jumpseating these days. SkyWest is non-union and nobody in the 121 world gives a crap. Will the vote be big within OneSky? Absolutely, but it’s not going to prevent people from getting hired elsewhere if they vote for the decert. That’s just nonsense.

The airlines won’t have to ask on a job interview because if Flexjet is on the job application, you just won’t receie an interview invite to begin with. Is it really worth gambling the fate of getting an airline job on this decert? Especially if things go south at Flex after the decert and guys try to get an airline job? I for one am not willing to take that chance given the current pilot union support letters. I said this even before the IBT sent out their letter, “pilot unions stick together”, and they are watching the outcome.

I heard a rumor that APA and ALPA also have letters of IBT support forthcoming as well.

 

[John MClain]

The math just doesn’t add up. NJASAP, SWAPA, CAPA, APA and rumor has it ALPA have all voiced their support for OneSky’s Local IBT 1108. That’s somewhere north of 40,000 professional pilots. All of which are benefitting from solidarity and Collective Bargaining Agreements (CBA’s).
Yet this Woelke character and his band of (maybe 10 or 12) misfits seem to know more about what it takes to deal with and negotiate with a management team that is hell bent on removing the union.
It’s a sad day for the aviation profession when pilot’s themselves take on the role of Union Busters.



http://oscrewlounge.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IncompetentUnion.mp4?_=1

 

[TexasChallenger]

That is probably one of the most unbelievable things I’ve ever seen in my career. Wow.

 

[shanes123]

52 years old ????? Unreal. He looks 70 and on his death bed... maybe that’s why he’s driveling nonsense he’s delirious. Or 2NN has promised him a house in Cabo next to him and the Arbitrator