All Atps 7 Day Crj Course?

[NookyBooky]

Don't waste your money. I have a friend who just got hired by ASA and is in training right now. He had no CRJ experience at all. They give you a sim ride in a CRJ and ask you to shoot some approaches. Then they call you back for your interview if you can fly the sim. He told me that they don't expect you to have knowledge about the CRJ. They just want to see that you can follow procedures, fly an approach and hold. He said there are a lot of people in his class with 250 hours. Yeah probably half will wash out but is all due to a lack of experience.

250 TT????

 

[viper548]

250 TT????

Wow. They should bump up the captain's pay $10 for every 100 hours UNDER 1000TT the FO has. In this case, $75/hr EXTRA for the babysitting duties. The RJ is NOT a one man airplane.

Do they let you use the flight director for the approaches in the sim for the interview? A 10 year old could keep it in the command bars with 65% N1 set.

 

[MTpilot]

Spend your $5k on hookers and blow.......

you'll learn more.

 

[viper548]

give it to us airways/am west. Seems like everyone else is throwing money their way.

 

[NookyBooky]

Spend your $5k on hookers and blow.......

you'll learn more.

Best idea so far...

 

[blueraider]

Spend your $5k on hookers and blow.......

you'll learn more.

Haahahahahaha oh man....thanks

 

[Capt. Buchedag]

Wow. They should bump up the captain's pay $10 for every 100 hours UNDER 1000TT the FO has. In this case, $75/hr EXTRA for the babysitting duties. The RJ is NOT a one man airplane.

Do they let you use the flight director for the approaches in the sim for the interview? A 10 year old could keep it in the command bars with 65% N1 set.

never flown an RJ but can't imagine it being that difficult, push a few buttons and sh*t. try flying a 25 basically by yourself.

 

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Wow. They should bump up the captain's pay $10 for every 100 hours UNDER 1000TT the FO has. In this case, $75/hr EXTRA for the babysitting duties. The RJ is NOT a one man airplane.

Do they let you use the flight director for the approaches in the sim for the interview? A 10 year old could keep it in the command bars with 65% N1 set.

Agreed.

In my humble opinion folks should fly night cargo and live to talk about it before flying passengers. A aircraft full of people is not the place to be experiencing a pilot's first instrument approach, first real low vis taxi, ice, engine, or electrical failure. Experience teaches a balance between knowing the regulations and knowing what will kill you, bend metal, or leave a mark on your career.

I like All ATPS for their quick and effective multi courses. It is a good deal and prepares the pilot for their next step on the ladder much more cost effectively than any school with "Academy" in its name.

However paying $5,000 for training that has zero value in the real world is not a good deal. ASA is tied to Delta who has been sending out terrible indications of where it is going. When an airline can not keep Treasurers, or VP's of Finance, or Credit Card contracts, you know something about the numbers has people very upset.

ASA hiring standards are such that an RJ transition program is not needed to get the job. The news is so dismal that most folks with any other opportunities are selecting other airlines to work at (just like Delta's managers).

I would not spend the money, unless it is someone else's money and you find RJ training to be a form of entertainment. The money would be better spent on a real training program at Flight Safety on something that would provide employment opportunity, like a C208, or Baron.

The RJ is an easy airplane to fly & ASA has an excellent training department. I don't think All ATPS transition course would be a lot of help, but if it makes you feel better sure. As an investment, it is a lousy one - if you enjoy it, or it eases your mind, go for it.

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[BoilerUP]

If you've got 5 grand to spare...go buy 5K in multi time, and split that with friends if you can to double up. Fly across the country in all sorts of weather and improve your IFR/ATC skills. You will come out much farther ahead this way, and your experience level will increase tenfold. If you can negotiate or find a total price under $200/hr, you can fly 50 or more hours if you split that time!

Anybody who washes out of a regional training program is spending too much time dicking around and not nearly enough time studying and paying attention. The systems are complex but not too hard to learn. If you have sharp instrument skills, dedicated study habits, and realize that a swept wing jet doesn't fly like a 172 or a Seminole, you'll be just fine.

A symptom of SJS is a dwindling bank account and/or skyrocketing debt - don't let yourself be afflicted.

 

[Crabtree]

250hrs?

I haven't posted or replied in a long time (nor for that matter updated my ratings.....so not trying to start anything) BUT I noticed the date of your post and have to stop and wonder, ASA is hiring people off the street right now with 250 hrs TT???

 

[350DRIVER]

Why in the heck would you pay ATP $5,000 to teach you about the CRJ when you will be getting the training FOR FREE if you get hired at a CRJ airline?

Probably the same reason why many dimwits are willing to throw money away by renting the right seat of a 1900 out, they know no better... It never seems to amaze me some of the questions that come up on this board.

If you've got 5 grand to spare...go buy 5K in multi time, and split that with friends if you can to double up. Fly across the country in all sorts of weather and improve your IFR/ATC skills. You will come out much farther ahead this way, and your experience level will increase tenfold. If you can negotiate or find a total price under $200/hr, you can fly 50 or more hours if you split that time!

Yeah, what a great idea, almost as good as the first.. Throw $5,000 away to fly a multi-engine plane around from city to city.

Get your MEI, hook on to a 91 department, or a right seat gig and do it the "free way" where you will actually "get paid" for occupying that seat.

I would toss both of the above ideas out the window unless you are a Purdue grad and mommy and daddy are giving you that "free ride".

Jeez, I wish my "ride" was as easy as other's.

"Buying into a job" will eventually catch up to you.

Do it the right way.

 

[Almerick07]

ALL ATP's is a business, the point of a business is to make money. If you are considering doing this give me a call and for $5000 I'll teach you some stuff out of a POH and I'll even let you fly the CRJ I have loaded on my flight sim. There are a lot better places/ways to spend $5k than on some CRJ training. Do us all a favor and dont PFT, save our struggling industry some dignity.

 

[CapnVegetto]

$5,000 bucks of wasted money. Anyone who signs up for that is a f-ing moron. The CRJ is an easy airplane to learn and fly. 100LL is right, if you wash out of regional airline training, you're an idiot. However, I have not heard good things about ASA's training department. Most of the time, if you've got a high washout rate, it's not the pilots that are the problem, it's the training.

$hit, for about a grand more, you could go buy a 737 type rating. Why the hell would you want to spend $5,000 bucks on a non-type rating, non-full motion sim, non-sanctioned by any airline program?

Waste of f-ing money. The only thing it might do is allow you to drink a bit more beer during CRJ training at your airline.

 

[milehigh6080]

Anyone that washes out from a regional probably deserved to.

It's not that hard. If your IFR skills are so sucky that you can't pass an FO check, then you NEED TO BE A CFII and maybe a friehgt dog until you MASTER ENOUGH IFR skills to DESERVE a regional job.

Quit taking up valuable cockpit space pretending to be a real pilot if you are that incompetent.

Word to the wise . . . if you can't pass an FO check on a fully automated, glass, do everything for you jet, you should probably steer clear of flying freight. Being a freight dog requires real instrument skills- flying single pilot, at night, in low weather, with no autopilot or copilot isn't the time for a poor instrument pilot to be learning how to do it. There is just no way the difficulty level of flying an RJ even approximates that of flying an old freighter by yourself to minimums. At my company, we're having a hard time finding quality 1200 hour guys to hire because it seems the regionals are scooping everyone up before they get to that point- that's really scary. I'm glad I don't have to ride in the back of RJs very often.

 

[Archer38416]

Most sim rides have everything set up for the pilot including radios, frequencies and courses. They are only looking for basic skills not neccesarily glass familiarization.

 

[NoPax]

Its not that hard. If your IFR skills are so sucky that you can't pass an FO check, then you NEED TO BE A CFII and maybe a freight dog until you MASTER ENOUGH IFR skills to DESERVE a regional job.

Keep on sniffing glue - you need to be IFR proficient to land a freight job - no glass, no captain to hold your hand, no autopilot, 1800 RVR...need I continue.

In this climate, not even my worst enemy 'deserves' a regional job.

 

[Mr. Soft]

I instructed at ATP and did the program for $1000. Was it worth it? Yes and no, I did the course and was not hired until 4 months later, therfore I had forgotten allot of what I had learned. There were people in my class that had no RJ training and no 135 experience, and it seemed like they were in some cases, understanding the material better than me. My sim partner picked up the sim portion of training very well, he is a CFI with no prior RJ training. The point is, I am a big proponent of ATP and most of their programs, but in my opinion, the allatps crj program is not worth $5000 bucks.


Good Luck

 

[millhouse21]

Word to the wise . . . if you can't pass an FO check on a fully automated, glass, do everything for you jet, you should probably steer clear of flying freight. Being a freight dog requires real instrument skills- flying single pilot, at night, in low weather, with no autopilot or copilot isn't the time for a poor instrument pilot to be learning how to do it. There is just no way the difficulty level of flying an RJ even approximates that of flying an old freighter by yourself to minimums. At my company, we're having a hard time finding quality 1200 hour guys to hire because it seems the regionals are scooping everyone up before they get to that point- that's really scary. I'm glad I don't have to ride in the back of RJs very often.

Dang, I was just about to respond with this exact sentiment!! Seriously, I understand how much more important the passengers are, but part 135 freight is not the place to be learning basic IFR skills. If you don't have them, some company might still be desperate enough to hire you... and you'll be lucky to live through the first week.